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Brian O'Neill
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Posted: 16 February 2018 at 5:37pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Ours, too...just put the toy in plastic to keep the crumbs off.;-)
And we do have 'plastic on the outside' toy eggs with the chocolate egg inside...but I think kids want a chocolat egg so they can eat the cholcolate, and then go play with a 'real' toy,
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And so they'll put up metal detectors at the school to keep guns out. They'll put up a fence to keep out unwanted visitors. They'll arm the teachers. School are starting to look a lot like prisons. They're going to put the kids in "jail" for America's right to bear arms.


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Over on Reddit, one of the students involved in the shooting is doing an Ask Me Anything thread. When asked if he had one wish on how the politicians would react, he responds:

"To stop letting the NRA control how our government handles gun laws. My friend who is a senior told me he learned in AP Gov class that the NRA is the main reason for some elected officials even being in office, and that was crazy to me."
Seventeen year old kid there.

As I'm reading the thread, it occurs to me that maybe his generation will finally do something about guns.
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`They're going to put the kids in "jail" for America's
right to bear arms`

I often see on American tv shows, houses with wrought
iron window grills and wrought iron grills on the
outside of exterior doors, and i think `Land of the
free, living in their own private little prisons`
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In the "Wild West" sheriffs and town marshalls often posted regulations that forbade guns within town limits. This did not bring about the downfall of American culture in those supposedly more "savage" times.

When did we lose that bit of common sense?

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When the Supreme Court essentially struck that down...it was a big
issue in Chicago and the results have been tragic.
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I was thinking on a broader, more encompssing terms.

Crazy to consider the vicious cycle that gets us here. We need guns to protect ourselves from guns....

I wonder how the "protection" measures against the murdered children? Meanwhile, Rump's solution to this gangrene is to give everybody nose gays.

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It seems to me where things stand just now we have trench lines at "If the FBI performed flawlessly we could have AR-15s, huge ammo clips, whatever available to any adult that wants them" vs. "Let's not have those things around, almost everyone believes they are a responsible owner but things aren't going to work out perfectly."

I watched some of these teens in Florida speaking and am seriously impressed. So that seems hopeful.

This is midgaard, middle earth, to me that means everything is half effed up. I've never felt I should have a gun around other than a rifle in the home when I was in rural Alaska where there were cougars, wolves and moose around (but no grizzlies known on the island I was on). I have wanted a decent knife while spending significant time in inner city Seattle, San Francisco and Vancouver though. Maybe even that's psychological and delusional on my part though.
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Who needs semi-automatic or military grade assault
rifles in civilian life? Nobody!
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Rebecca Jansen
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"Who needs semi-automatic or military grade assault
rifles in civilian life? Nobody!"

I don't think that will change the minds of those people who have a different opinion. They will probably just exclaim back "You just want to take something away from me! To judge me as not responsible when you don't know me... that's not freedom!"

On the positive side I believe there was a poll of NRA members who favored more controls/restrictions by a wide margin, which pretty much means it's down to many of your representatives are being bought and paid for.
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This really is a quietly amazing video:


I wish more gun owners had this degree of humility and soulsearching.

(But as usual, beware of the comments section, for your own mental health.)





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Charles Valderrama
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I've been really impressed by these students. They took action and are very articulate. Maybe there's hope for the future...


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Please, please, PLEASE let this snowball into effective change on the Hill.

"I believe that children are our future
Teach them well and let them lead the way..."
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Rebecca Jansen
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You have to wonder how the right for almost anyone with the slightest wait time to buy military type weaponry became 'conservative'. I had a letter published in a U.S. magazine dominated by libertarians way back around 1990 where I mentioned a right not to have to bear arms. Somehow the small (or even no) government, no regulations, libertarians became a major part of the Republican party. Oddly enough though what used to be hard core conservative, which was that communism is evil, started vanishing staring with Nixon shaking hands with Chairman Mao

Then again, it was the Democrats who were states' rights/segregation in the south at one time and that seems to have almost flipped too.

Another way of looking at these things is a question of people vs. a thing... people or a flag for example... chose the people... people or a statue... people or a baseball team's cartoon mascot... people or a right? If a right is leading to more deaths than in places without so much of that right... well, what about the right not to have so many deaths?

They haven't even cracked down on bump stocks so far though, a long long way to go I'm sure. Especially when compromise has become such a dirty word with some folks. Maybe the word balance would fit better than compromise, and protection rather than regulation? It took decades of hard won experience to create certain protections, watch out who you let toss them out, whether it is Bill Clinton in the name of some 'inevitable' global economy or anybody else. And you don't have a democracy at all without two healthy parties, those motivated fanatics who seem bent on annihilating 'the other side' or 'the enemy' are really just hurting their own nation. Those who believe in a God should recognize one thing; 'He' must love variety as he created so much of it!

'Nuff said?


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So Trump announced he has ordered AG Sessions to take steps to ban bump stocks, the type of gun modification that the Las Vegas shooter used back in October. REALLY??

it's unlikely Congress will pass anything & he probably knows this. This way, he looks like he cares and can simultaneously blame others when nothing gets done. (Probably got permission from Wayne LaPierre to say this. Just a small thing to calm down the hostility right now.)

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Doug C. - Children don't vote, children don't pay taxes, and children have no influence on the electorate. To most politicians, they're meaningless little entities... except for their OWN children and grandchildren, of course. If you believe otherwise, I've got a tower in New York to rent you the top five floors of. 

Ms,. Jansen - sadly, not half 'nuff said. People form a nation, and so many politicians are party before nation or voters these days. 

Until this gets personal, or their phony-baloney jobs are in danger, too many of Congress have naught to offer but those damned thoughts and prayers, with a negative timeline to discuss gun control. Follow the money... right up the barrel of an automatic weapon.


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