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Brian Hague Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 January 2018 at 12:06am | IP Logged | 1
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You mean Rusty the Oxidizing Killer Klown? I made him up too...
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Rod Collins Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 931
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Posted: 06 January 2018 at 12:11am | IP Logged | 2
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Salvaging a character/characters seems to mean getting a creative team who understands the characters and is able to recontextualize them for a new audience without taking away what made them unique/interesting.
I enjoyed what David Walker did with a group of what could be considered "lame 70s villains" in his recent Power Man And Iron Fist run. He kept them true to their past and made them formidable and interesting to read about.
Edited by Rod Collins on 06 January 2018 at 12:19am
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Eric Jansen Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 27 October 2013 Location: United States Posts: 2278
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Posted: 06 January 2018 at 9:27am | IP Logged | 3
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How about the Spirit's sidekick Ebony? He was smart and valiant, but his appearance--! Recent update attempts have made him a street-smart girl or a handsome young cab driver. How far can you change a character before it's no longer the same person? (Was Neal Adams' Green Arrow the same person as Jack Kirby's?)
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Eric Sofer Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 31 January 2014 Location: United States Posts: 4789
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Posted: 06 January 2018 at 9:37am | IP Logged | 4
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ITEM: Mr. Byrne, of course that was Neal Adams' quote. I just paraphrased because I was trying to "touch it up a little" for the topic.
ITEM: Thanks for everyone's opinion about the Man-Thing. You aren't going to change my mind... but always glad to hear what others think of my opinions.
ITEM: It seems that most everyone thinks that any character is salvageable without radical transformation. I don't see it for a number of characters... but then, I wanted to know what YOU think.
ITEM: The list of characters I made were ones whose books were cancelled, or were in imminent danger of cancellation; and then, thanks to changes in creators, stories, changes in the characters themselves, etc. suddenly became hits. They weren't always hits. Shucks, I recall a time in the early 60s when Batman's popularity was waning, or when Iron Man was not such a fan favorite.
I'm enjoying what y'all think. I'm interested in seeing more!
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Dale Lerette Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 24 March 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 750
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Posted: 06 January 2018 at 10:30am | IP Logged | 5
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I always liked Man Thing and found his latent sentience seemed to work very well with his surroundings. I think, though, you have to have a careful writer who works toward that goal. I do not think it is easy. In my mind Marvel Two-in-One #43 seemed to really capture this essence well when the Man-Thing reached its vegetative hand out and you could see a human hand forming as it almost touched the entropic crystal.
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Brian Kirk Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 02 November 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1239
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Posted: 06 January 2018 at 10:57am | IP Logged | 6
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Exploding from the pages of Doctor Strange: THE MINDLESS ONES in their own book at last!
Edit to add: fake milestone, 1234 posts!
Edited by Brian Kirk on 06 January 2018 at 10:59am
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Adam Schulman Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 22 July 2017 Posts: 1717
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Posted: 06 January 2018 at 11:08am | IP Logged | 7
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Green Arrow was like almost every other DC character of the '50s and '60s -- made out of cardboard -- until Dennis O'Neil gave him a personality and a purpose. And made him stop being a Batman clone.
I don't see that as "salvaging." More like "there's nothing here, so let's put something here."
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Steve De Young Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 April 2008 Location: United States Posts: 3487
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Posted: 06 January 2018 at 1:47pm | IP Logged | 8
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As many times as people tried, even JB himself, I don't think Hank Pym has ever recovered from hitting Wasp.
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Tim Cousar Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 May 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1660
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Posted: 06 January 2018 at 2:09pm | IP Logged | 9
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Because others keep going back to it.
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Rod Collins Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 931
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Posted: 06 January 2018 at 6:54pm | IP Logged | 10
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Kurt Busiek did a good job of bringing Hank Pym back, but as Tim mentioned other people continue to go back to this moment.
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Andrew Bitner Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 7465
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Posted: 07 January 2018 at 12:09pm | IP Logged | 11
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The subject of Cyclops is a tough one for me. He'd always been my favorite X-Man until it seemed Marvel no longer wanted him to be a hero.
Pairing him with Emma Frost was a betrayal of the character.
If I was going to write X-Men with Scott reborn, I'd let the Frost affair lie in the past and move on. It was a horrible idea and deserves to be forgotten, not explained or otherwise honored.
Shaper of Worlds? I would LOVE that.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 07 January 2018 at 12:11pm | IP Logged | 12
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As many times as people tried, even JB himself, I don't think Hank Pym has ever recovered from hitting Wasp. ••• Miserable little fanboys who won't let go. Fah!!
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