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John Byrne
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Posted: 19 November 2017 at 8:39am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

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...raising in my mind once again the question of whether wearing a head covering rubber mask should be considered "makeup"?

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Doug Centers
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Posted: 19 November 2017 at 9:01am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

No.

I would consider that part of a costume.
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 19 November 2017 at 2:06pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

You want an alien or a monster face in a movie? You don't go to a regular make-up person nor do you go to a costume designer. You go to a special make-up effects artist. It really is like a separate category ( and in reality, it's more like a whole department of people you'll need).

It's worht noting though, that in film the pioneers of prosthetics came out of the make-up side of things, not the costume design side of things. This goes all the way back to the Planet of the Apes movies, with the work of John Chambers. Giants in the field such as Rick Baker, Rob Bottin and Stan Winston are termed as working in 'special make-up' effects, but the scope of their abilities blurred the lines of simple delineations. They certainly weren't just make-up artists and their disciplines incorporated costumes and animatronics and prosthetics, among other things.

Also worth noting that at the Oscars, going back nearly 40 years now, there was no Oscar given for best make-up. It was special make-up effects that changed this, not conventional make up work -- the first film honoured with an Oscar for make-up was An American Werewolf in London. That film had a regular make up person and a whole bunch of special make-up people, led by Rick Baker. Baker was the one that got the Oscar.

So maybe the terminology is misleading, but as far as I know, the kind of person who makes elaborate rubber masks never comes from the costume department and make-up skills are essential for making the whole thing blend into the actors' face.



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Joe S. Walker
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Here's something not from the movies which I think shows the borderline:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-12gaNAVNgE

Although "Julie" makes as if to take her mask off, she says elsewhere that her masks have to be put on in pieces and more or less rebuilt each time.
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Stephen Churay
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Posted: 19 November 2017 at 8:16pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Depends on whether it's a rubber mask or a
number of appliances, blended with makeup.
Trying to apply separate for head, nose,
cheek and chin pieces, that allow an actor
to perform through it, is still makeup to
me. An actor wearing a robotic armature
with a mask over it, wear there are people
using remotes to make that mask emote is
certainly not makeup. Or the appliances or
mask do not allow an actor to emote, it's
not makeup. It's creature sculpture and
puppetry. Just my take.

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