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James Johnson
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Posted: 09 November 2017 at 4:13pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Roy Moore

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David Miller
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It was only a matter of time with this guy.

Alabama State Auditor Jim Zeigler is on fire with the defense: “There is nothing to see here. The allegations are that a man in his early 30s dated teenage girls. Even the Washington Post report says that he never had sexual intercourse with any of the girls and never attempted sexual intercourse.”

Also Ziegler: "Take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus.”
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Too? That’s putting the cart before the horse. 

It’s typical that the Breitbart crowd who were enjoying their schadenfreude over the Weinstein scandal and the ensuing fallout as symbols of the hypocrisy and moral degeneracy of the Left are leaping to defend Moore. 
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It's hard not to fantasize about optimistic scenarios based on this news...

If Moore stays in the race, the scandal may be enough to make him lose.  I know a lot of voters will either chose to disbelieve the allegations (regardless of evidence) or will vote for him anyway.  But in the most recent average of polls he's only 6% ahead, so even a relatively small amount of voters becoming disenchanted could tip the race.  A lot of his support comes from evangelicals, and these allegations could be a hard pill to swallow for them, comparisons to the Biblical Joseph notwithstanding.

If he drops out of the race his name will still be on the ballot (it's apparently too late to remove it).  So there will likely be confusion that would lead to some people still vote for him, while others would write in his replacement, which would split the Republican vote.

If he stays in the race but Strange mounts a write-in campaign against him, that would also split the Republican vote.

Of course, the way this country is going, he'll probably stay in the race, say the accusers are lying, and win anyway, just like Trump.  
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A lot of his support comes from evangelicals, and these allegations could be a hard pill to swallow for them, comparisons to the Biblical Joseph notwithstanding.

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This article is about Trump voters, but I think it would apply to Moore voters as well. In short, they don’t care if he keeps his promises or not, they don’t care about his failings, all they care about is that he’s expressing anger at the things they are angry about. 

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Thanks for the article Michael. I will never understand that kind of mentality and if I was an American, I would be pulling my hair out in sheer frustration. 
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Neil, Americans are indeed pulling out their hair in sheer frustration.  
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Guys, he will STILL be elected. We had no problem electing a president that bragged about sexually assaulting women. 

Join the Republican Party! You can fuck kids (don’t be gay tho) and you can grab all the pussy you want!
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The chairman of the Bibb County Republican Party, Jerry Pow, said that he’d vote for Moore even if it was proved he committed a sex crime against an underage girl. “I would vote for Judge Moore because I wouldn’t want to vote for Doug,” he told the Toronto Star, referring to Democratic candidate Doug Jones. “I’m not saying I support what he did.

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So a vote for a Democrat (Doug Jones) is "supporting the entire Democrat party" but a vote for Moore even if he sexually abused a minor was true wouldn't be supporting all sexual abusers?  Hypocrites.

"Yeah!" Covington County GOP Chairman William Blocker tells me he'd consider voting Moore even if hard proof of sexual abuse emerged.

"There is NO option to support to support Doug Jones, the Democratic nominee. When you do that, you are supporting the entire Democrat party."

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WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH OUR COUNTRY??!!???
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Brian Miller
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When did our value system change to the point where as long as you’re a Republican, it’s ok to try to have sex with 14-year-olds?

And not only that, to have people defend it using the Bible?


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When did our value system change to the point where as long as you’re a Republican, it’s ok to try to have sex with 14-year-olds?

And not only that, to have people defend it using the Bible?

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The Bible is one of the best places to find defenses for heinous deeds. Especially if one is willing to overlook the whole "Things were different back then" thaing.

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When did our value system change to the point where as long as you’re a Republican, it’s ok to try to have sex with 14-year-olds?


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The clearest point was when Republicans backed Trump after the Access Hollywood tape.

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John Cole
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Never seems to have been one call for Bill Clinton to step down no matter how many allegations of sexual impropriety against women that are made against him to this day what a shock.
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Even the Washington Post report says that he never had sexual intercourse with any of the girls and never attempted sexual intercourse.
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That's a very specific set of wording I'm noticing in a lot of these allegations. Intercourse is not the only form of abuse.
Smacks of Clinton and his 'sexual relations'
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I roll my eyes whenever people bring up Bill Clinton's "abuses" with consenting adults, and a string of women bankrolled by right-wing millionaires. 
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"There is NO option to support to support Doug Jones, the Democratic nominee. When you do that, you are supporting the entire Democrat party."


It's really sad, isn't it?  It's gotten to the point where the Democrats are viewed as a worse enemy than a hostile foreign power (the Russians) and supporting them is morally worse than voting for a child molester.  There are probably Republicans who would vote for a member of ISIS before they'd vote Democratic.  The right wing's extreme demonization of political opponents is bearing bitter fruit for our country.
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Oh, please! Let's not make excuses for Slick Willy! He's a small time politician who never really managed to rise to the role of President. When a true history of the 20th Century is written, 9/11 will be seen as the legacy of Clinton's Age of Appeasement.
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I roll my eyes whenever people bring up Bill Clinton's "abuses
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You miss my point. I'm making a point about the use of words to swerve away from a point.
Sexual relations vs sexual act
Sexual intercourse against sexual abuse/assault - these have different legal meanings and I'm seeing a lot of people use the former as a defense when they are being accused of the latter.
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James, I get ya. A defense that hinges on translucently-sliced (and desperate) legal semantics, especially related to age-of-consent federalism, may as well be a signed confession.

Moore's defenders have moved on from Biblical justifications to "it was only a one 14 year old, all he did was feel her up, and when is the WaComPost FAKENEWS going to report one of the accusers volunteered for Killary?"
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I did like Bill Maher's comment last night.
"At least we know what the Republican age of consent it"
Pure gold.

The defense of Moore by tongue twisters and the barrers of the double standard have got to go away. People are too willing to give away their morality and humanity in the name of blind loyalty.
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His defenders have a point. This kind of stuff happens all the time in their Holy Book. 
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And now, also, George Takei:


Let's not make excuses for anyone, regardless of their political leanings or their sexual orientation or anything else. 

Sexual harassment is sexual harassment, period. 
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