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Brian O'Neill
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The people using the guns are just as much of a problem as the guns themselves. The obvious nutjobs like Devin Kelley might as well have been lobotomized.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 06 November 2017 at 11:30am | IP Logged | 2
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We simply love our guns more than our right to not be shot.••• Gun owners assume it is they who will be doing the shooting, heroically taking down the bad guys, like John Wayne or Wyatt Earp. Thing is, these are so often the same people who will loudly avow that their guns are all stored properly, in gun safes with trigger locks -- posing the question of how long they think the bad guys are going to wait for them to go get their guns. In some small ways, President Rump is right -- this IS a mental disorder, but it is at the National level, not the individual. It is America that is sick in the mind, and children will keep dying until that is corrected. Until only the police and the military are allowed to have guns.
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Robbie Parry
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| Posted: 06 November 2017 at 12:56pm | IP Logged | 3
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Thing is, these are so often the same people who will loudly avow that their guns are all stored properly, in gun safes with trigger locks -- posing the question of how long they think the bad guys are going to wait for them to go get their guns.
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I've come across the mindset so many times.
No-one (outside this forum) wants a serious debate. I tried to debate this on Twitter once. And one person's response was, "But every mayor in the US has an armed bodyguard." Facetious or stupid. I don't know, but who can beat a mindset like that?
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Andrew Bitner
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JB: Gun owners assume it is they who will be doing the shooting, heroically taking down the bad guys, like John Wayne or Wyatt Earp.
Thing is, these are so often the same people who will loudly avow that their guns are all stored properly, in gun safes with trigger locks -- posing the question of how long they think the bad guys are going to wait for them to go get their guns.
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Me: It's true- all gun owners are "responsible"... until something happens. It's also interesting to note how rarely a gun owner is ever called irresponsible after their toddler/kid kills himself or others.
And as noted, bad guys aren't the sort to put their crimes on hold until the gun owner is ready to respond with his arsenal of unholy hellfire.
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JB: In some small ways, President Rump is right -- this IS a mental disorder, but it is at the National level, not the individual. It is America that is sick in the mind, and children will keep dying until that is corrected. Until only the police and the military are allowed to have guns.
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Agree 100%. It doesn't take a majority to inflict hideously bad policy that affects all of us; it just takes enough extremely committed zealots using their money and phones and mailing lists.
Gun owners, as a collective, refuse to accept responsibility for the risk their obsession poses to our nation, and the rest of us have not shown the necessary determination and endurance to fight them successfully.
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Philippe Negrin
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Almost a mass shooting everyday in the US this year. 42 people shot everyday. This is beyond comprehension.
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Eric Sofer
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Brian O'N.: "The people using the guns are just as much of a problem as the guns themselves"
Absolutely correct. A gun is entirely harmless on its own. Until someone picks it up and uses it... it's just a metal construct. Certainly less dangerous than heart disease, cancer, or lung disease. Less than animal attacks or climate related deaths.
The human element has to be inserted to make a gun deadly. 45 did touch upon a glimmer of truth* that mental defectiveness has to be involved.
Still, the problem is person PLUS gun. Yes, dangerous people can still find a way to hurt others. But them guns make it a lot easier.
So - we remove the guns or we remove the mental defectives. I know which one of those two choices would be the right one... even if too many Americans would disagree.
*He had to get one right sooner or later...
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Brian O'Neill
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| Posted: 06 November 2017 at 3:27pm | IP Logged | 7
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There were a lot less of these mass shootings when the 'nuthouses' were still in use. Taking the wack job 'customer base' out of society would put a lot of gun dealers out of business.
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Robbie Parry
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I notice that some on Twitter, including a police chief, are describing the problem as a 'public health epidemic'.
That sounds like self-delusion. They can't bear to utter the phrase "gun problem". That's sad.
Self-delusion is an issue. If I went around picking fights in a bar, best thing for me to do would be to admit I'm a violent asshole who needs to reform, repent and atone; if, however, I described my problem as an 'anger issue', that'd be self-delusion.
I am going to unfollow any individual on social media who uses the phrase 'public health epidemic' to describe guns.
EDIT: Watching Sean Spicer (interviewed by Piers Morgan) on GOOD MORNING, BRITAIN. He talks about the right to bear arms being a right, and how Americans are proud of their rights. Well, as has been stated COUNTLESS times here, that right goes against the right to life.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 07 November 2017 at 9:55am | IP Logged | 9
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As I've said, the Second Amendment is unConstitutional, since it overrides all the others.
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Bill Collins
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Piers Morgan did say Spicer was a moron for denying it
was a gun control issue,I may not agree with him most of
the time,but I admire him for calling out the gun nuts.
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Michael Penn
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QUOTE:
| As I've said, the Second Amendment is unConstitutional, since it overrides all the others. |
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According to Fox News, JB, the First Amendment's freedom of religion guarantee is best buds with gun rights...
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Charles Valderrama
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| Posted: 07 November 2017 at 1:25pm | IP Logged | 12
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And House Speaker Paul Ryan says Prayer WORKS...
*sigh*
-C!
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