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Vishwas Aragam
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Not familiar with his background, but was Black Adam the Shazam
that betrays the wizards and releases the sins in the flashback?
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Not familiar with his background, but was Black Adam the Shazam  that betrays the wizards and releases the sins in the flashback?

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Yup. 
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Shazam tells and shows the young Sivana in the beginning that his previous champion (Black Adam) went rogue and he needed a new one pure of heart.

Sivana got his powers from the Seven Deadly Sins, which seems slightly different to Shazam bestowing them upon him.

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Saw it, liked it a lot... thankfully, for the first time in what seems like ages, this is a live-action superhero kids- (or family-friendly) movie first, and the film is all the better for it.  So, if you're a viewer who skews more towards adult-themed superhero flicks, SHAZAM! will probably not be for you.  And because it's more kid-friendly, maybe it could seem a little too silly at times.  But...

...my 8-year old son not only loved it, he proclaimed it his "favorite movie ever!!!"  He was positively giddy and bouncing out of his seat when the Marvel Family (uh, ahem, the "Shazam" Family) finally made their appearance.

After this, AQUAMAN and WONDER WOMAN, DC films are finally on a roll, and are 3 for 3, in terms of my kids finally being able to enjoy these films.  Maybe not quite in the upper echelon of modern superhero movies, but a solid B+ at least.





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Haven't seen the film...yet.  But listening to a review from the panel of the podcast POP CULTURE HAPPY HOUR you would think that this was a kiddie film.  Not quite sure I get that designation.  Just because it features kids, it's a "kid film"?  Is STRANGER THINGS a "kiddie" TV series because it features children?

I really feel reviewers are glomming onto the fact that kids are in the cast to force some kind of "kid" narrative onto it instead of reviewing it as a film in its own right.  They even try to make the connection to BIG, which is obvious, but wasn't a kid's movie when it was released and, in fact, was marketed to adults who wanted to connect with their inner child. How did that film get twisted into being a "kid's movie" simply because there are children involved?
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I feel that "kid's film" is appropriate, and it's not a pejorative. I wouldn't call it a "kiddie film". It really did feel like a fusion between the modern superhero movie and the sort of kids' adventure films you had in the 80s, like E.T., GOONIES, and EXPLORERS. There's a bit of whimsy and childhood wish fulfilment, without the need to frame it as the nostalgia of a jaded adult (hi READY PLAYER ONE!).
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From everything I've heard, this is along the lines of Superman's trunkless look.  DC seems to want to distance itself from it's own character and at some point, it's just a different character.

I'm still uncertain whether I'll go to see this(mainly, I haven't been to the movies in so long that I want to see "something") and I hope I like it but those are the same thoughts I had when the Brandon Routh Superman came out.  

Talk about Lingchi.  Billy's different, Captain Marvel's different, his costume is different, his cape is different, his family's different...can't really say I'd be going to see a Captain Marvel movie.  I didn't need Johns to "fix" the character and his universe.  

I know, if one squints hard enough and concedes enough, the film itself has a good production value but as each year goes by, I think back to being a kid and wishing they made super hero movies and realizing I should have been more careful about what I wished for.  
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Lowest opening weekend of any DC movie and
DC thinks it is a win because it didn't
open as bad as they thought it would.
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Eric,

I was thinking the same thing - I was thoroughly unimpressed with SHAZAM's opening weekend figure and not all surprised by its 78% post-weekend drop in ticket sales.

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Lowest opening weekend of any DC movie and  DC thinks it is a win because it didn't open as bad as they thought it would.

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Sorry, but this is silly. What else would it open at? Itís a DC movie that doesnít feature Superman, Batman, or Wonder Woman. Even SUICIDE SQUAD traded on its Batman connections with Joker and Harley Quinn. And general audiences are at least aware of Aquaman, and it was heavily marketed as a big summer blockbuster. SHAZAM is lesser-tier DC hero with no major box office movie stars. Itís performing how itís supposed to be performing.

This is akin to the people declaring ANT-MAN a failure (which also debuted in the mid-50s) because it didnít do as well as AVENGERS and GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY. 
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SHAZAM! also cost just $100 mil to make.  To put that into perspective re: DC films, BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE cost $250 mil.  JUSTICE LEAGUE cost an astounding $300 mil. SUICIDE SQUAD cost $175 mil. AQUAMAN cost $160 mil while WONDER WOMAN cost $150 mil.  

Success is always weighed by how much a film cost to make and market against its box office returns.  $100 mil for a superhero film might as well be considered an indie movie.  That it's already grossed $193.7 mil worldwide as of April 10 (six days) means, yes, it's a hit.  Warner Brothers has every right to tout it as a win. 
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 Eric Lund wrote:
DC thinks it is a win because it didn't 
open as bad as they thought it would.

What were the expectations of DC (really Warner Brothers) for the opening?  Pre-release, Variety tagged it as opening north of $40 mil.  That would still be a great opening for a film that cost just $100 mil. 

And then it exceeded expectations by $13 million. 

By Friday, April 5 (opening day) Business Insider predicted it would end its weekend with a $50 mil gross. Note: That is $10 mil more than Variety predicted a month earlier.  

And then it exceed that expectation by $3 million.

So are you really saying that Warner Brothers thought SHAZAM! would open to less than $40 mil domestic despite all evidence to the contrary and now they should be mocked for touting it as a win because it made more? Seriously? 
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At least itís not as bad a failure as fucking Captain Marvel. What a let-down. 
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45 million was the expected opening.... Lot of faith
there....
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Like with the (other) Captain Marvel thread, a lot of the discussion seems to about whether the movie is a failure or not, instead of whether it's good or not. Maybe I've put on my grumpy old man-pants today, but why does it matter to any of US how much money WB or Disney makes on the movie? Did you invest in it? If not, why not stick to whether you enjoyed it or not? 

Not pointing out anyone here in the forum, incidentally, just the entitled "fan boys" out there. 
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The whole point of any movie is to make money....that is
why they are made.
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At least itís not as bad a failure as fucking Captain Marvel. What a let-down.

That movie was a /HUGE/ failure.


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45 million was the expected opening.... Lot of faith there....

And once again, what are you expecting for a moderately budgeted film featuring a less well-known superhero with no big-name movie stars? If they expected a bigger opening, they would have thrown more money at it.
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 Eric Lund wrote:
...The whole point of any movie is to make money....that is 
why they are made...

That is why studios greenlight a film, but movies are made by the filmmakers and cast to entertain. 

And, didn't Matt R already demonstrate that this film has made money? 

Just because you want it to fail doesn't mean it's a failure. 

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I saw it today and I enjoyed it. It's fun with some heart but definitely not a "kiddie" movie. There are some scenes that caught me off guard.

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I didn't need Johns to "fix" the character and his universe

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It's not a fix. It's an attempt to make the character popular. Granted it turns Billy into a different character. And I don't personally like it. But if it sells more comics then one just has to live with it -- and the SHAZAM! comic is at least clearly aimed at 12 year olds, not 40-somethings like myself.
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Local theater in my hometown has a double-bill of Shazam and Captain Marvel.  Made me laugh.
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Saw Shazam on Tuesday night bargain matinee. It was a lot more fun than Captain Marvel was. Didn't really care for them making Sivana into basically Black Adam, but nothing's perfect. My kid liked it a lot too.
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