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John Byrne
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Posted: 12 November 2017 at 10:08am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Since I'm the one that brought it up, I'll address it. I'm certainly not lumping Whedon in with child molesters and calling those actions equal. What I am saying is that there is a culture of men in positions of power taking advantage of that power to get what they want:, masturbating in front of women, cheating on their wives, groping children and physically assaulting women. Because I mention them in a thread like this does not, in any way, mean that I think they're on the same level. I expect people who read this thread to have the ability to figure that out for themselves without me having to qualify it.

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Question, then: Why are they NOT "all on the same level"? Years ago I read a study that said rape, as one example, was not a sexual crime, but rather was a crime of violence that used sex as its weapon.

In these cases, we see abuse by powerful males, and it is the abuse that is the real crime, not the manner in which it presents itself.

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Posted: 12 November 2017 at 1:55pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Jesus, Steve, get your head out of your ass.
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I don't believe I said, "Matt, how can you compare what Whedon did to..." nor did I say, "People in this thread are acting like these are all on the same level...."  If I meant either of those things, I would have said them.  My comments were directed at the media feeding frenzy and the general publics response.  I'm fully aware that you, and most other folks on this site, are a lot savvier than the average person and hold opinions with more nuance.

But right now, every media outlet in the world is looking for the next Weinstein or Spacey story, and if they can't find one, they'll try to turn whatever they can find into that.  And I don't see the general public, based on twitter reactions, etc. making distinctions between a silly joke Tom Bergeron tells on DWTS or Howard Stern making a fat joke, on the one hand, and the crimes of Harvey Weinstein on the other as a result.
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Posted: 12 November 2017 at 4:44pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

And I don't see the general public, based on twitter reactions  

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That’s your problem right there. 
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Posted: 12 November 2017 at 5:53pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

People like to believe their own willful ignorance is dispositive to reality. 
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So Lars Von Triar’s production company is now being looked at. I’m shocked on that one I tell you, shocked.
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Posted: 13 November 2017 at 12:09am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

James, what.the.fuck. 

What the hell is wrong with these people?
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Beggars belief doesn't it. And the fact that the guy seems quite proud of his behaviour as well. Just unbelievable.
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Posted: 13 November 2017 at 3:29am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Also, why are we starting to get Chinese characters in our posts? My post two before this one was done on an iPad - is that the reason?

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Posted: 13 November 2017 at 11:50am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Now, WB suspends 'Supergirl,' 'Flash' TV showrunner Andrew Kreisberg following allegations of harassment from multiple women.

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Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
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Posted: 13 November 2017 at 2:52pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Maybe we should rename this thread something like, "Harassment Issues in the Entertainment Industry?" Or something to that effect.

Perhaps we could "contain" this subject here, so it won't affect other threads? Just a thought... I get those once in a... while.

Oh... edited to add: And move it to the general section?


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Matt Hawes
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I went ahead with your suggestion for a title change, as I thought myself that the thread had went beyond just a couple of cases and was considering a name change already.

As for whether or not it should remain in this area of the board, though, that is up to JB and the mods.

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Posted: 13 November 2017 at 5:48pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Also, why are we starting to get Chinese characters in our posts? My post two before this one was done on an iPad - is that the reason?

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I see these every so often on JB's posts. I thought it was just me. 
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The Chinese are everywhere. Taking over. Driving badly while smoking and yelling in their cell-phones. (Sorry, just got to work and I drive through the insanity every day).

 Still amazed by the Lars Von Trier stuff. I know you are not supposed to blame the victim but why on Earth would someone continue to work there? I would be gone. I just don't get it. 
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I am stupefied by that stuff Neil. The type and level is just off the scale. And then for the guy to come out fighting that he is what he is.

I cannot imagine any normal, sane workplace where women agree to do what happened at that place. There needs to be a root and branch rethink about the film industry I think. And there also needs to be a rethink about many other parts of the entertainment industry as well.

Here's an idea. Take 10 random people from the sidewalk (pavement) and take them in to each company. Let them see the type of things that go on and address any where they go 'What the hell are you lot playing at?' because I do think the business runs on an echo chamber where everyone just hears affirmation and gets used to 'that's just how it is' or 'That's just so and so'.

Any sane, normal person would go 'You, sir, are off your rocker'.
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Posted: 14 November 2017 at 4:41pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

Apparently, the Kevin Spacey story is even darker than it seemed at first blush, when you find out about his childhood.

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Posted: 14 November 2017 at 4:50pm | IP Logged | 16 post reply

Add John Travolta to the list of Hollywood figures who are being exposed regarding some kind of sexual assault -


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Matt Hawes
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Posted: 14 November 2017 at 5:30pm | IP Logged | 17 post reply

The Travolta story is an old one, coming back to the fore, I believe. I recall either that story or one like it made the news a few years back.

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Posted: 14 November 2017 at 5:38pm | IP Logged | 18 post reply

The intentionally deceptive tenses render that article into gibberish.

I'm instinctively suspicious of forthrightly homophobic hit-pieces like this. Travolta's sexuality is an open secret so open it's not secret, and so many Los Angeles massage practitioners are prostitutes I have trouble getting outraged by somebody mistaking what store they're shopping in (Although Travolta's alleged misbehavior clearly took him into asshole territory, perhaps criminally so).

Speaking as someone who relies on massage therapy for chronic back pain, johns ruin it for everybody.
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Posted: 14 November 2017 at 6:41pm | IP Logged | 19 post reply

so many Los Angeles massage practitioners are prostitutes I have trouble getting outraged by somebody mistaking what store they're shopping in (Although Travolta's alleged misbehavior clearly took him into asshole territory, perhaps criminally so).

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I think if you move the towel and it gets moved back, you should take that as a no, and it moves into harassment territory if you continue to be the aggressor, regardless of whether the person is a prostitute or not. 
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Posted: 14 November 2017 at 8:52pm | IP Logged | 20 post reply

Yes, you're right. 
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Posted: 16 November 2017 at 4:59pm | IP Logged | 21 post reply

Now we have stories about Al Franken and Slyvester Stallone. Sigh. It's a sad state of affairs. It is also disturbing how far this stuff goes.
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What would have / should have turned into trouble for Donald "Grab Em By the P*****" Trump is burning everyone except him. The man is truly blessed by Satan. 

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Remember, he was chosen by God. 

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It doesn't seem to be hurting Roy Moore either and he either did have sex with or tried to have sex with multiple underage girls. I guess what we can take away from this is if you're going to sexually assault/harass women you better be either a Republican or a Scientologist. 
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They were just hussies and temptresses, brought from Staten to tempt men. Now, if we only had a way to cover them to avoid them from leading good, God-fearing men into temptation. Maybe something in black.  
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