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Posted: 08 October 2017 at 6:40am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

On that whole salary thing...

I made $600,000 in one year, once. It was in the early Nineties. Before and since, the numbers have been lower. Currently a LOT lower. (Don't worry! Not headed for the soup kitchen just yet!)

The fun part of this, tho, is that my financial advisor set me up with disability insurance thru Paul Revere. If something should happen that makes it impossible for me to draw, I collect an annual stipend of 2/3rds of my best year for the rest of my life. That's when that $600,000 comes in handy!!

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On the subject of money, I thought some of you might be amused by this page from a recent royalty statement from DC…

It goes on like that for several pages, 90% of the payments under a buck!

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I look at that sheet and feel sorry for the poor saps who have to keep track of all those $.xx! Auditing must also be a nightmare.
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Looks like much of that is coming from digital sales, with the possible exception of a new printing on Superman: Man of Steel Vol 1. Or is that digital too? Even though those payments on digital aren't much I'd guess they add up over several pages and it's money that would be exclusive to the back issue market as far as single issues go without digital. I've personally never bought a digital comic (though I have subscribed to Marvel Unlimited and am curious if Marvel/Disney pays the writers and artists from that revenue and I've also gotten some free digital graphic novels for Kindle by ordering print books on Amazon) because I very much prefer the actual printed comics, but I'm glad that digital exists for newer fans to find older issues at reasonable prices.

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Based on that royalty statement page you could probably easily treat, oh, perhaps four dozen of us to a Carvel ice cream cone. One each.


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I didn't watch the link. But from what I discern from these comments, this clown didn't read much of Mr. Byrne's product. Hey, if HE can judge from inadequate data...

I recall the always pertinent phrase, "Those who can, do. Those who can't do, criticize." There is a scene in the beginning of Mel Brook's "History of the World, Part I" which emphasizes this.

But for all those who criticize, there have NEVER been as many full size venues for them to spew their venom (because really, who seriously criticizes in all positives? Would that draw very much attention?) I am old enough to recall a time that, if one were not a professional and paid critic, their output was limited to a piece of poster board nailed to a two by four.

As to fixing Marvel... cripes, we've beaten this to death. They will never be fixed because they cannot get new readers. They have niched themselves to fanatics, and "ennui engorged fan boys" (tm pending.) That seems to be the road down to the black hole, and it appears impossible to deviate from it for Marvel.
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It goes on like that for several pages, 90% of the payments under a buck!

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Assuming they mail that out to you by post, Mr Byrne, well they must spend a lot on stamps and envelopes! 
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John Byrne:

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It goes on like that for several pages, 90% of the payments under a buck!

Robbie Parry:

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Assuming they mail that out to you by post, Mr Byrne, well they must spend a lot on stamps and envelopes!

Well, I'm assuming it's all added up for just one check!
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Marvel still mails checks, DC/Warner Bros does direct deposits.
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EDIT: Sorry, my mistake.

I know what you mean, Eric, but I assume more than one cheque can be sent over time. To many people. 


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Watch this... I only lasted two minutes. I couldn't take any more. I usually have a high tolerance.
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I truly enjoyed JB's art on NAMOR. I know it's all a matter of taste, but that
anyone might consider it bad is surprising.
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Same here. The Duo-Shade phase is my favorite art period of JB's.

And the art that critics tend to claim to be his best, is towards the bottom of the list for me. I joined relatively late in the game (1983), so JB had already gotten over the quirks of the late 70s-early 80s work that bug me a bit when I saw it after the fact (best example being that women's faces tended to be too round, in some cases as if the face was applied over a balloon. By '83, he started applying bone structure to the faces). These were childhood observations that I was just never able to shake.
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Robbie Parry : This is the problem with the internet: no checking of facts, no context, no "This is my opinion..." The internet really is a double-edged sword at times.
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I think this is a major part of the problem. When you add the anonymity of the Internet with the fact that there is virtually no accountability, it leaves us with a very big mess to clean up. :'(
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Loved the art on Namor.
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UGH, the guy in this video sounds like an idiot. Lots of moronic comments under that video as well.

-C!
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Yeah, the guy's a dolt.  It's best just to mute the sound and enjoy those beautiful Namor pages.

And for what it's worth, the only bad Byrne art era has been the "No Byrne Art Era."  I was at my LCS about a year ago, and I was perusing what was out that week.  I was just not excited at all, and it took me a second, and I realized that there was not only no new Byrne art on the shelves, but there hadn't been for a while, and it just made me very sad.

I miss my monthly Byrne comic art fix.  I've unfortunately been clean for quite some time.
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And for what it's worth, the only bad Byrne art era has been the "No Byrne Art Era."

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You're very kind, but there HAVE been some pretty deep valleys running between the peaks!

Problem is, a lot of fans -- especially the most vocal ones -- are like (anachronistic reference!) a stuck record. Their "needle" keeps skipping to play the same lines over and over, and they just can't get past them.

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Some things become "received wisdom"; fans who don't know anything about art go along with what they're told, internalizing it until they think it *must* be true.

They go with the flow, maybe because they're afraid a contrary opinion would kick them out of the "cool kids club" or spark a fight they lack the basic knowledge to win.

And after a while, segments of fandom simply treat it as a given that this guy's art was better back when or comics are going to die off any day now, etc etc.

FWIW, JB, of all the editors I've known, not a single one has said they had *any* difficulty working with you. Some stories cannot be allowed to stand unchallenged.
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Some things become "received wisdom"; fans who don't know anything about art go along with what they're told, internalizing it until they think it *must* be true.

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One of the odd things I have noticed about some fans over the years is that they staunchly declare their "independence", yet are terrified of being thought to go against the flow.

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Do you think such fandom is unique only to certain groups? What I mean is, I've encountered what we've discussed more among wrestling and comic fans; I can't say I've come across it as much when it pertains to, say, heavy metal music or Stephen King novels.

I can only go by my own experiences, of course. And my social circle.
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"I'm a free thinker!"
"We're free thinkers too!"
"I'm an iconoclast!"
"We're iconoclasts too!"
"I mouth the same nonsense as the idiots next to me!"
"We mouth... hey!!"

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Do you think such fandom is unique only to certain groups? What I mean is, I've encountered what we've discussed more among wrestling and comic fans; I can't say I've come across it as much when it pertains to, say, heavy metal music or Stephen King novels.

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It seems to me that this effect reflects the degree to which people are embarrassed by their fandom. It seems to walk hand in hand with that general tone of disparagement we see in some clusters of fans.

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Ah, that makes sense. People seem embarrassed by wrestling ("Oh, I like it, but not the really silly matches!"). And comics.

No metal fan, or Stephen King fan, I have encountered online has ever expressed embarrassment. So I guess what you say makes sense, sir.
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There are lots of backhanded compliments in the video. And when reviewing anything I think you seriously undercuts your credibility when saying, "I can't explain how much I love this panel" about something being reviewed. That kind of inexplicable reverence is fine in casual conversation, but articulate observation is a basic requirement of reviewing.

Nice point about heavy metal and Stephen King fans, Robbie. There is a big difference in fans that simply enjoy something and the two faced fans that can't compliment without insulting in the same breath.
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