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Bill Collins
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Posted: 17 September 2017 at 10:14pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I was reading at the weekend of a fracas at Speaker`s
Corner in Hyde Park,London between a transgender group
and a militant feminist group,it was not clear what they
were actually fighting each other over.
As for these `labels`,i suspect it`s because a lot of
people want to be `special` and a niche label makes them
feel that.
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Mario Ribeiro
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Posted: 17 September 2017 at 10:28pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Many rad fems don't accept trans women as real women. And some are really annoying about it.
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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 3:53am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

It boggles me how anyone who has been discriminated is perfectly willing to discriminate against some OTHER group. It seems that to far too many, "live and let live" means "live and RECOGNIZE MY OPPRESSION."

It is terrible that anybody suffers discrimination... but what happens to these people when they're recognized and accepted, and no longer granted special consideration or discussion?

Then again... in the Untied* States of America, I don't know that I can think of ANY such groups who went from discriminated against to being accepted and ignored. Possibly non-smokers?

*Intentional.
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Neil Lindholm
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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 4:40am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

LGBTQQIP2SAA

This is the acronym I have seen more than the one in the title of this topic. 

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning, intersex, pansexual, 2-spirited, asexual, and allies.

Meanwhile, Macau just formally prohibited spousal abuse. We are so behind the times here. 
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Petter Myhr Ness
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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 5:10am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

We do love labelling everyone and everything, don't we?

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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 5:46am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

BTW, adding the "Q" to LGBT always seemed a bit redundant to me. "Queer" is just another word for "lesbian, gay or bisexual." (Sometimes trans people identify as queer, sometimes not.)

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It's been my understanding that the Q stands for "questioning".

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Adam Schulman
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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 6:22am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

OK. I'm not sure that counts as a sexual orientation -- it's usually people who thought themselves heterosexual who find themselves thinking they might be bisexual. I don't see why "I might be one thing or another" gets to be its own separate "thing." 
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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 7:57am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

There is a great deal of confusion in the realization that one might be Gay. Our society puts a lot of pressure on people to be "normal". Those of us who have not experienced this cannot really understand it.

But "questioning" is a legitimate condition, and deserving of support.

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Steve De Young
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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 9:34am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

The issues that asexuals deal with are akin to the issues that of atheists in the US, where they are, as Paul stated, looked at as "less than".
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But this is purely a product of identity politics.  Sure, if you publicly identify yourself as an atheist, especially if you publicly go after religion, religious people are going to be suspicious of you.  If you publicly identify as asexual, most people are going to be confused about what that means.  Does it mean you're neither male nor female?  And if you say it just means you're not interested in sex, I bet most of them will say, "Sounds like my wife after 5 years of marriage...."

Most of the atheists in this country don't publicly identify themselves as atheists.  They just aren't religious.  They don't pray.  They don't go to church.  The don't practice a religion.  Religion isn't part of their life.  This is true to such an extent that they don't have to identify as atheists, because 'being non-religious' isn't a major part of their life either.  Their life doesn't revolve around religion or lack thereof, it revolves around other things.  They don't define themselves by their atheism, they define themselves around the positive things that are important to them.

I'd bet the vast majority of asexual people are the same way.  They just aren't out there pursuing physical relationships.  Sex isn't a part of their life, but neither is 'not-having-sex'.  They enjoy rich friendships and other things that make them happy, and probably don't think about sex much.  So they don't have to publicly define themselves as asexual, they define themselves by the positive things in their life that are important to them.

It reminds me of a recent joke, "An atheist, a cross-fitter, and a vegan walk into a bar...I know, because they kept telling everybody."


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Paul Kimball
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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 9:43am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Almost everybody talks about themselves to some degree but it stands out
much more when you hold minority beliefs. That's part of why it seems like
atheists and vegans are always binging up their beliefs. It's because it's
unusual.
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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 9:52am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

For years -- centuries! -- minorities were expected to "know their place" and basically just shut the **** up. As that prejudice has broken down, it has seemed as if more and more people want to identify as minorities -- specifically minorities deserving of special treatment.

Thus we end up with a jumble of letters that looks like it could send someone to the Fifth Dimension if spoken backwards. Hurry on the day that nobody has to be singled out (by society or themselves) and we really and truly can be equal.

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Kevin Brown
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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 10:04am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

I prefer this:

HUMAN BEING.
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