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Adam Schulman
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A rather...pointed quote from Len Wein on Hugh Jackman and the Wolverine films can be found here:

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Very sad news. Len wrote the first American comicbook I read, Justice League issue 106 (1973), I'd been exposed to U.S. comics earlier than that with the B/W Marvel UK weeklies, but that was my first 'proper' colour comic.  He was also the editor of New Teen Titans in 1980, when at age 14 I was getting a little jaded of comics and nearly quit the hobby, Titans brought me back in.  So I guess in many ways Len was very important to my personal comicbook history. 
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A rather...pointed quote from Len Wein on Hugh Jackman and the Wolverine films can be found here:

http://comicsalliance.com/the-wolverine-chris-claremont-work -for-hire-marvel/

Nice of Hugh Jackman to acknowledge Len, but he "owes [his] career" to a whole conga-line of people.

Len told me, long ago, in the way of faulting where Chris and Dave and I had gone with the character, that when he conceived Wolverine the character was 18 years old with claws that telescoped out of the backs of his gloves. Chris and Dave made him older, and added the element of the claws being part of him. When I came to the book, one of the first things Chris told me was that he wanted to write Wolverine out, and I put my Canadian foot down and said no to that idea. Later, when we were discussing how Wolverine's healing factor made him practically immortal, I suggested that we make him still older, to emphasize his immortality. After I left, Chris and Frank did their miniseries, and a cascade of tweaks and modifications was unleashed.

Like so many characters, Wolverine does not have a single point of origin.

(Similarly, while I knocked over the first domino for Kitty Pryde, Chris and Paul Smith turned her into a nearly unrecognizable character, and the process continued after they were gone.)

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Wolverine's healing factor didn't come from Len, did it? I thought that wasn't established until your run with Claremont.
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On the other hand, here's a character that did not change much from Len and Dave's creation:

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On the other hand, here's a character that did not change much from Len and Dave's creation:

True, but his little sister got walloped pretty hard!

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Was Chris into the whole witchcraft, Wiccan thing? It seemed like he wanted to make everyone have magical powers.
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Am I missing something, how is witchcraft a mutant power?
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Bill, witchcraft is not a mutant power. To this end, I reference the story where the Hellfire Club swapped Storm's mind with the White Queen. The H.C. captured the X-Men and a hanger-on or two, and put anti-mutant collars on them*. But Nightcrawler's girlfriend, Amanda Sefton (you know... his step-sister)(!!!) was able to work her magic just fine.

As I recall, Illyana's mutant ability was the ability to summon and direct "stepping circles" - directable space warps that simulated teleporting.

*Yeah, they put an anti-mutant collar on Kurt Wagner... and he did not turn into a white skinned, five fingered, tailless man with blue eyes. How's THAT work?
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It was all so convoluted and confusing,and sooo long ago!
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As I recall, Illyana's mutant ability was the ability to summon and direct "stepping circles" - directable space warps that simulated teleporting.

Portable holes!!

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That was illyana's mutant ability. She was also a demon sorceress raised in Limbo by Belasco and a magic-wielding, old lady Storm. 
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Magik might have been the first X-Men-connected character with a needlessly convoluted background. Then came Rachel Summers, the Goblin Queen (Madelyne Pryor), Cable, Nate Grey (X-Man), Dark Beast...and that's all before the 21st century began...

I never got the appeal. It's one among several reasons that I stopped reading Marvel's mutant titles. 
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As I recall, Illyana's mutant ability was the ability to summon and direct "stepping circles" - directable space warps that simulated teleporting.

Portable holes!!


Do those exist in the Marvel Universe? I figure they originated in 'Loony Toons'.;-)


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Yeah, they put an anti-mutant collar on Kurt Wagner... and he did not turn into a white skinned, five fingered, tailless man with blue eyes. How's THAT work?
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Why would it do that? I assume they canceled out mutant abilities not physiology. 
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First appearance of Logan without his mask just after Len left the series.
Drawn by Cockrum.

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Used to own that page.
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That's one seriously wicked widow's peak!
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It seems Dave was having a bit of fun,

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Magik might have been the first X-Men-connected character with a needlessly convoluted background. Then came Rachel Summers, the Goblin Queen (Madelyne Pryor), Cable, Nate Grey (X-Man), Dark Beast...and that's all before the 21st century began...

I never got the appeal.

At its heart, X-MEN has always been a cult book. And the hardcore fans like it to be as complicated as possible, to keep out the riff-raff. Which works fine for the Speculators, since they don't actually read the books anyway!

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Mike Norris: "Why would it do that? I assume they canceled out mutant abilities not physiology." (regarding a mutant cancelling power collar and Nightcrawler's appearance.)

Why WOULDN'T it? The way a person looks is their genetic heritage. If mutations were cancelled out, why wouldn't that cancel out any changes to their appearance? With nothing to go on besides that some mutants look physically different strictly due to their mutations, wouldn't those be affected if the effects of mutation were cancelled?

Of course we have no way to be sure... it's about an entirely speculative piece of fiction. But I remember that when Ben Grimm's powers were removed, he stopped being orange and rocky (even if not reverting to Ben Grimm), and that once, when Beast's powers were turned off, he reverted to a non-hirsuite form. I believe both of those were Claremont stories... so why wouldn't Nightcrawler be changed as well?
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Used to own that page.

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I own the page now. Have you ever seen the original panel of Logan? The story
I heard was the face was changed but not sure why.
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I've heard that Dave changed the mask after seeing (and inking) Gil Kane's version. Nothing about his actual face, tho.
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First comic series regularly I bought was the Incredible Hulk (starting in 1974). Len Wein and Her Trimpe "created" my Hulk. After 40 years I still see/hear their Hulk when of think of the Incredible Hulk. Sorry we've lost both of them.
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