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Mario Ribeiro
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Posted: 17 September 2017 at 10:13am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Yeah, Aurora was special to me too. Have almost no memory of her after JB left, though.
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Me either, Mario. No offense to the very talented Bill Mantlo and Mike Mignola (both of whom have done some great comics over the years) but I didn't feel like any take on Alpha Flight after JB's was any good and I really tried to stick with it. Mantlo's take on Puck was particularly galling and then was all the stuff later on with bringing back Guardian. Ugh.
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And can we note that there's a difference between reviving totally defunct names and giving us six different Captain Marvels in 20 years (and none of them as good as the 40's or the 60's/70's versions).
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Marvel should have stopped with Monica. 
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Roger's version of Captain Marvel was his twist on an old joke: "Last night I had a dream in which I saw God. She's Black."
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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 12:13am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Marvel should have stopped with Monica. 

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Probably should have stopped with the original.  Stan didn't want to do it, and he was probably right.  But, somehow, Mar-Vell earned his place (Thanks, Jim Starlin!), so I'm okay with him.  And it was a fun thing (that made sense!) that his name was actually "Captain Mar-Vell"!

I'll be very curious to see what the movie Carol Danvers' reasoning behind taking that name will be.
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Mar-Vell always had the best backstory to me - Kree warrior sent to Earth to spy on humanity for the Kree, but Mar-Vell eventually sympathized and sided with humanity.

Fairly simple at the time, but, like most every other Marvel hero, made much more complex and overly-complicated by retcons over the years.

I can understand how Marvel wanted to hang onto the name, but the only other Captain Marvel that has worked for me at all is Monica Rambeau.

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I liked the Sixties Captain Marvel's origin, too. It would have been interesting had Marvel been able to sustain that setup for longer than a year, but Mar-Vell was inevitably going to betray the Kree, and the situation seems unsustainable in an "illusion of change" setting.
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Mar-Vell always had the best backstory to me - Kree warrior sent to Earth to spy on humanity for the Kree, but Mar-Vell eventually sympathized and sided with humanity.

Lot of the Silver Surfer there!

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Kind of an unusual costume, I can't think of too many that covered the face but
left the hair free.
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That particular mask style seems to have originated with Alex Raymond, in a Flash Gordon adventure that took place under water. The headpiece was worn to equalize pressure in the ears.

Of course, it also looked cool, so it became a standard trope in sci-fi, and later superheroes. Angel, in the X-Men, adopted a few variants on the form.

It's a style that works for me only with relatively short hair. When Captan Marvel kept his (white) hair trimmed, the mask worked, especially when Neal Adams drew it. When Starlin made the (blonde) hair long, I could not understand how it worked. Had Mar-Vell cut away the sides of his headgear, or was he a literal mop-top?

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Posted: 18 September 2017 at 1:02pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I greatly appreciated that mask style with Kid Flash, and also with Quasar for the brief time he had it.

I don't recall it being used for women too often... undoubtedly reflecting Mr. Byrne's sensibilities that long hair probably just wouldn't work with that style. To that end, it occurs to me that there just weren't a lot of women with short hair in comics until... I think I gotta go with the Wasp.

I guess that's one of the characters who was kind hypersexualized in her behavior that didn't relay in the least on her costume or appearance. Then again, I don't suppose Stan or Jack had a lot of experience being a teenaged woman...
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