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Eric Sofer
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In another thread, Mr. Byrne suggested that, were he King of the Forest*, he would have writers/editors/creators sit down and determine which era of each super hero was the best, and then that would be used for a character's series.
Which led to the question... which era was the best?
So tell me what YOU think. Pick any four characters and tell me what era was best for them.
By "character", I'll allow that you can include a team - provided that none of the team had their own title at the time, e.g., Teen Titans or X-Men is okay. Justice League or Avengers is not. (EXCEPTION: I'll let you pick the Legion of Super-Heroes, but don't focus on the Kryptonian heroes... focus on the team.)
For example... I'll go with Captain America right after his return in the early 60s - the Lee and Kirby books. Speaking of the Legion of Super-Heroes - the mid-60s version by Jim Shooter and Curt Swan and George Klein. Hawkman in the 60s also, by Gardner Fox and Murphy Anderson. And ol' br'er Hawkeye, in the Avengers during the Thomas/Buscema era in the late 60s.
Who do you like?
*You mean he AIN'T?!?!? |
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David Schmidt
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| Posted: 06 September 2017 at 4:31am | IP Logged | 2
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I posted something similar in the thread where Mr Byrne made his suggestion.
I reproduce my original post here.
I don't really have a good perception of DC History so I'll just give a try with Marvel.
Spider-Man: Stan Lee/John Romita Sr period (1967-1968)
Fantastic Four: Stan Lee / Jack Kirby (1966) or John Byrne (circa 1983-1984)
Avengers: Roy Thomas / John Buscema in 1968
X-Men: Claremont/Byrne run in 1980
Edited by David Schmidt on 06 September 2017 at 4:32am
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Don Zomberg
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Put Spider-Man back in high school where he belongs.
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John Byrne
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Allowing that for most of us it would be the periods we most enjoyed reading...FANTASTIC FOUR under Stan and Jack, of course. SPIDER-MAN under Lee and Ditko, high school years. INCREDIBLE HULK under Wein and Sal Buscema (middle/late Seventies) X-MEN under Claremont and Byrne* ________________________ * Towering ego? No. An assumption that it would be the All New, All Different X-Men that fans would want to see, and harking back to the last time Chris was really being made to write the X-Men, not use the X-Men in any story that happened to pop into his head. As I have said, the book went on to greater success after I left, so we can assume Chris was doing something right, but we must also remember that rise in sales corresponded to the arrival of the Speculators, who deemed X-MEN to be a HOT boot. Many of those comics were bought, bagged, and never read.
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Mario Ribeiro
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FANTASTIC FOUR: Stan and JackSPIDER-MAN: Stan and Romita Sr. X-MEN: Claremont and Byrne THOR: Simonson
Edited by Mario Ribeiro on 06 September 2017 at 8:16am
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David Schmidt
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| Posted: 06 September 2017 at 7:36am | IP Logged | 6
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* Towering ego? No. An assumption that it would be the All New, All Different X-Men that fans would want to see, and harking back to the last time Chris was really being made to write the X-Men, not use the X-Men in any story that happened to pop into his head.
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I noticed that except the introduction of the Morlocks and the Marauders, the continuing history of the X-Men was made of plots introduced during the period you were on the book: - "Wolverine's wedding" is messed up by Mastermind who manipulates perceptions around "Madelyne Pryor" - Rachel, Nimrod... All those time-travellers came from this alternate future Kate Pryde tried to erase - X-Men fought one month against the Hellfire Club and the following month against Mystique's Brotherhood of Evil Mutants - Brood Saga included The Shia'r Imperial Guards, the Starjammers... - You made Magneto a class-A vilain... After Uncanny X-Men 150, it seemed he was too great a character to let him stay a villain...
So X-Men had a greater success after you left but kind of built on your work...
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Eric Jansen
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| Posted: 06 September 2017 at 7:52am | IP Logged | 7
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I have a special love for these eras:
CAPTAIN AMERICA--Steve Englehart & Sal Buscema SUPERMAN--Elliot S! Maggin/Cary Bates & Curt Swan BATMAN--Denny O'Neil & Neal Adams (Duh!) THE FLASH--Cary Bates & Irv Novick
There's a lot of Steve Gerber, Steve Englehart, John Byrne, Frank Miller, Gene Colan, Jim Aparo, Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, George Perez, and some others I want to mention, but I will stick to the "four characters" rule.
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Bill Collins
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I`ll add
Iron Man-Michelinie,Romita,Layton era.
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John Byrne
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I noticed that except the introduction of the Morlocks and the Marauders, the continuing history of the X-Men was made of plots introduced during the period you were on the book:- "Wolverine's wedding" is messed up by Mastermind who manipulates perceptions around "Madelyne Pryor" - Rachel, Nimrod... All those time-travellers came from this alternate future Kate Pryde tried to erase - X-Men fought one month against the Hellfire Club and the following month against Mystique's Brotherhood of Evil Mutants - Brood Saga included The Shia'r Imperial Guards, the Starjammers... - You made Magneto a class-A vilain... After Uncanny X-Men 150, it seemed he was too great a character to let him stay a villain... So X-Men had a greater success after you left but kind of built on your work... •• And becoming famous, building on my work! BUILDING ON MY WORK!! Ralph Macchio once commented that I was the Richard Daystrom of the X-Men.
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JB, you and Chris C built the foundation upon which the X-Men achieved greatness, creating a stronger and better work from what Stan and Jack started. The seeds were there; you two were the gardeners who knew which were weeds and which were the nascent roses.
Let's be honest, YOU are the giant upon whose shoulders later creators stand.
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John Byrne
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Let's be honest, YOU are the giant upon whose shoulders later creators stand.•• Once upon a time, Walt Simonson, Ralph Macchio, Howard Mackie, and I were sitting in Mark Gruenwald's office, and Shooter stuck his head in to say there had not been that much talent in that room all at one time since Jack Kirby was in there alone.
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David Schmidt
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Once upon a time, Walt Simonson, Ralph Macchio, Howard Mackie, and I were sitting in Mark Gruenwald's office, and Shooter stuck his head in to say there had not been that much talent in that room all at one time since Jack Kirby was in there alone.
**** Funny guy this Jim Shooter...
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