Active Topics | Member List | Search | Help | Register | Login
Movies
Byrne Robotics > Movies Page of 2 Next >>
Topic: Box Office At An All-Time Low Post ReplyPost New Topic
Author
Message
Robbie Parry
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 17 June 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 7754
Posted: 01 September 2017 at 5:18pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Here's the story:


I do still enjoy going to the cinema (I have a Cineworld card). There is still something great about seeing something on a big screen. I don't agree with the theory that it's a great communal experience, I'm there for me - and I could live without people constantly using their mobile phones.

At the same time, I have a large TV. Which looks pretty good. And I am happy to wait for films to arrive on Netflix, Amazon Prime - or Blu-ray. And unlike cinemas, I don't have to put up with selfish people whose mobile phones are constantly ringing. 

I can envision a time where I watch fewer films a year at the cinema. I don't think cinemas will ever die out, but I think people will continue to buy large TVs and hi-tech equipment.

There are no doubt other factors, too. I didn't watch ALIEN: COVENANT at the cinema because I was told the Blu-ray release would contain extra footage. So I waited. I haven't watched it, but will soon.

Thoughts?
Back to Top profile | search
 
Matt Hawes
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 16 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 13708
Posted: 01 September 2017 at 6:14pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

The theaters around me have renovated to make things more comfortable, like cushy, reclining chairs and more leg room, but nothing beats watching a film in the comfort of your own home. People speak about the communal experience as if it's a plus, but most people usually bitch (rightfully so, most times) about the problems of trying to watch a film with a crowd.

TV sets are so large anymore, that for most people I think it is satisfactorily large enough to emulate some of that "big screen" effect from going to the theater. You can watch major motion pictures in HD on a screen as large as your wall without being shoulder-to-shoulder with annoying teens texting, drunken idiots rambling, or rude people talking throughout the picture's length. And you can buy treats cheaper at a store to take home and snack on watching the movie.

I would miss a little, very little, about the movie theater experience. I think most of us are naturally inclined to see something so much a part of our experience disappear, but when I really think about it... why? I can still have friends over to watch a film and make a night of viewing. Sure, the feeling of "getting away" for a night is gone, but really the enjoyment is heightened in other ways.

Movies will still be made because people watch them, still. It's HOW we watch them that is changing. I think it's likely a reality that theaters will die out. I'm not rooting for it, but I'm not as upset at the notion as many would think we should be.


Edited by Matt Hawes on 01 September 2017 at 6:14pm
Back to Top profile | search | www
 
John Popa
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 20 March 2008
Posts: 2759
Posted: 01 September 2017 at 6:31pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I usually see 20 or so movies a year at the theater (although this year has been slow.) I much prefer it to home viewing where I'm easily distracted.  And I've yet to find someone with a 50 foot screen in their living room.

I mostly go to matinees, which aren't crowded or expensive and I don't buy popcorn or soda so, really, I see most flicks for around $5, in a theater that's usually fairly empty.  

I'm honestly bored with director's cuts and extra footage on DVD releases.  Unless it's some kind of historical novelty, I don't want to see the leftovers from a movie that was filmed last year.


Back to Top profile | search
 
Robert Shepherd
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 30 March 2014
Location: United States
Posts: 884
Posted: 01 September 2017 at 7:05pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I'll go to the theatre for tent pole movies only. You just can't beat seeing the big budget flicks on the big screen, with the mega sound system.

Any other movie, if I watch it at all, is saved for home.

My wife hates going to the theater - it is all too loud for her, too much in-your-face.
Back to Top profile | search | www
 
John Byrne
Avatar
Beam Me Up, Scotty!

Joined: 11 May 2005
Posts: 108166
Posted: 01 September 2017 at 7:17pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Last movie I saw in the theater was ZOOTOPIA. Guess that makes me part of the problem!
Back to Top profile | search
 
Shane Matlock
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 12 August 2012
Location: United States
Posts: 737
Posted: 01 September 2017 at 8:44pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

I see a lot of animated movies with my 6 year old but I do try to go see most of the superhero movies as well, as he likes those too. Other than Fantastic Four and who could blame him for not liking that turd? He loves the Marvel movies. I really need to get him to watch Iron Man which is the best of all the Marvel movies, although his favorite Marvel character is the Hulk. (Oddly enough his favorite DC characters are Green Lantern and the Flash. He can also name almost every major superhero despite not reading many comics yet which shows how prominent they are in modern culture or how much I've indoctrinated him.)

I see I'd guess about 10-12 films a year which is a lot more than I saw about ten years ago.

Edited by Shane Matlock on 01 September 2017 at 8:52pm
Back to Top profile | search
 
Shane Matlock
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 12 August 2012
Location: United States
Posts: 737
Posted: 01 September 2017 at 8:45pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

By the way, JB, Zootopia has been his favorite animated movie he's seen and mine as well for the ones I've seen with him. It's a great movie.
Back to Top profile | search
 
Joe Smith
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 29 August 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 5620
Posted: 01 September 2017 at 9:54pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

I work with 55 other people and I can without a doubt say I am the only
one who goes to theatres. Every single other person steals off of the
internet. Every single one! It irks me to the point of seeking vengeance.
These artists tear their souls apart writing/directing/acting. IMHO there
is nothing better than going to see it on the big screen. AND going in
BLIND.
So many movies in the recent past have made me return to the theatre
for multiple viewings:
BIRDMAN
EX MACHINA
ARRIVAL
Back to Top profile | search | www e-mail
 
Robbie Parry
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 17 June 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 7754
Posted: 02 September 2017 at 3:13am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Quick trivia: ZOOTOPIA was renamed ZOOTROPOLIS for other markets, including the UK. ZOOTOPIA sounds better, if you ask me.

As for the topic, I have never understood the concept of a "communal" experience in cinemas. 

If I had friends around to watch a film in my flat, then that's communal. I know them. We can watch it, enjoy it and chat about it. But what possible communal experience can there be in a cinema? I usually go alone. I don't know anyone there. I'm not interested in their reactions. I'm not turning my head to look at "John Doe" and think, 'Oh, I wonder what he made of that scene?' How is it communal.

Plus, like I said, a lot is ruined. When I tried to watch THE GRUDGE, I had to leave and complain as some drunken fools were being very loud. And when I watched 1408, I had to turn to the guy on my right and say something: his stupid mobile phone ringtone kept going off. I don't know why the fool paid for a ticket, he clearly had no interest in watching the film, he was there to listen to mundane calls.

I don't get some who say it's best to have a mobile on and take calls in emergencies. Sure, if you're a world leader or have a sick wife at home, then that's fine, but this guy I sat next to was just engaging in small talk, stuff that could have waited. 

Years ago, we had ushers (I think that was the job title) who came into the screens regularly, to sell products, but also to tell people to shut up.

So, really, I'm happy to wait for a lot of films. At least in my flat there aren't drunks, mobile phone users and all other sorts of troublemakers.


Edited by Robbie Parry on 02 September 2017 at 3:14am
Back to Top profile | search
 
Mario Ribeiro
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 18 June 2016
Location: Brazil
Posts: 212
Posted: 02 September 2017 at 4:57am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Well, communal experience really works (and only works) with comedies. It's much easier to actually laugh (and laugh the hardest) when there are 300 people laughing around you.

That said, I don't like recent movies and I have hundreds of movies here I never saw, so I don't go either.
Back to Top profile | search
 
Robbie Parry
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 17 June 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 7754
Posted: 02 September 2017 at 4:59am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Well, communal experience really works (and only works) with comedies. It's much easier to actually laugh (and laugh the hardest) when there are 300 people laughing around you.

***

That's fine, but it's not for me. I can just as easily laugh on my own. 
Back to Top profile | search
 
Shaun Barry
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 08 December 2008
Location: United States
Posts: 5270
Posted: 02 September 2017 at 7:43am | IP Logged | 12 post reply


It all depends.  The communal experience of watching a film can work wonders with any movie... provided everyone behaves themselves!

The problem is that movie theater etiquette has gone right down the crapper in the last 20+ years, for some reason...



Back to Top profile | search
 
John Byrne
Avatar
Beam Me Up, Scotty!

Joined: 11 May 2005
Posts: 108166
Posted: 02 September 2017 at 7:45am | IP Logged | 13 post reply

"The Communal Experience" for me has traditionally meant people talking too loud, parents not controlling their children, and in the Modern Age, cellphones sounding and people responding.

This is why, when there actually IS a movie I want to see in the theater, I usually go to a Wednesday matinee. Usually pretty close to a private showing!

Back to Top profile | search
 
Robbie Parry
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 17 June 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 7754
Posted: 02 September 2017 at 7:57am | IP Logged | 14 post reply

I do something similar. Tuesday mornings are often quiet. If I'm not working, I'll go there. Can often be in the cinema with only 2-3 other people. 

I really don't get why people would pay for a ticket, around six or ten quid here, and then spend time on their phone. Why not enjoy the movie you've PAID to see?
Back to Top profile | search
 
Stephen Churay
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 25 March 2009
Location: United States
Posts: 7964
Posted: 02 September 2017 at 7:58am | IP Logged | 15 post reply

This is the studio's fault. They tried to
cram everything in June and July, not even
bothering to look at August.

Spider-Man was a hit, but I would have
expected it to do a little better.

War For The Planet Of The Apes is supposed
to be really good, but I never got the
chance to see it and neither did anybody
else. It definitely would have done better
if it had moved.

Valerian And The City Of A Thousand
Planets just bombed. Now, it had some
problems but I believe it would've done
better if it wasn't crammed up with the
other two.

Back to Top profile | search e-mail
 
Warren Scott
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 09 July 2016
Posts: 142
Posted: 02 September 2017 at 8:34am | IP Logged | 16 post reply

Regarding communal experience, I recall seeing "Superman II" and hearing other theater-goers cheer for Superman during the big fight with the Kryptonian villains. It may be my imagination, but I recall some clapping when "Superman III" was announced in the end credits.
But all of the rude behavior cited above, plus the cost of admission and food, are enough to cause most people to be selective in the films they see at theaters.
And I also don't know why they insist on putting everything up against each other over two or three months of the year (unless a drama, comedy and a sci-fi/fantasy are opening the same week, which provides a variety of choices). One genre that I see changing in that regard is animated films. There seems to be one about every month of the year, while they once were mostly available in the summer or at Christmas.
Back to Top profile | search
 
Robbie Parry
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 17 June 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 7754
Posted: 02 September 2017 at 8:44am | IP Logged | 17 post reply

Regarding communal experience, I recall seeing "Superman II" and hearing other theater-goers cheer for Superman during the big fight with the Kryptonian villains. It may be my imagination, but I recall some clapping when "Superman III" was announced in the end credits.

***

There was some cheering at the end of 2006's CASINO ROYALE. At the risk of sounding like a grump, though, it didn't affect me. I'm a stranger among people in a cinema. 

I can be enthusiastic if watching a film on my own. I got quite excited during the ending of THE MONSTER SQUAD, but it can hardly be called communal. My enjoyment was mine and mine alone!
Back to Top profile | search
 
Eric Sofer
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 31 January 2014
Location: United States
Posts: 1423
Posted: 02 September 2017 at 11:00am | IP Logged | 18 post reply

It seems tremendously simple to me.

I would go to the theater to see a big movie with special effects porn, huge action scenes, and a good story that needs to be "writ large", as it were. I'll cite "Raiders of the Lost Ark" as an example.

But as noted, crowds are more rude than ever these days, and were I to go over and scream at them to shut up, I might be the one asked to leave.

Cell phones. What do I need to say about cell phones in theaters?

Too much studio product these days is, to me, simply dreck. I can go to the theater to see a "meh" movie, but it's not satisfying.

And my most obvious... I'm a cheap bastard. DIRT cheap. There is no way I would, of my own accord, pay twenty bucks for a film, and ten bucks for a 32 ounce soda, a small popcorn, and a fun size candy bar. I don't need to see a new movie THAT much... I'll wait for it to come to cable/satellite - or watch a better one at home.

Can this be fixed? Probably not. Ticket prices are what they will be... they will never go down. That's not how the economic model works to my knowledge.

Even if there were ushers to escort phone users out, there'd likely be too much legal indemnity - so much that a theater couldn't afford it.

I'm sure there's a solution, but I can't discern what it is. Then again, I'm in the "airplane region" of the US. Maybe the coasts have better theater people who know how to stay alive.
Back to Top profile | search
 
Steve De Young
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 01 April 2008
Location: United States
Posts: 2651
Posted: 02 September 2017 at 12:49pm | IP Logged | 19 post reply

Part of the problem with the conclusion that this is because people would rather watch movies at home is that there is a second missing statistic.  In addition to lousy box office, you'd have to show an uptick in streaming and Blu-Ray/DVD sales.  To really demonstrate the point, you'd have to compare those figures to the box office of the same movie.  If, for example, GotG2 had done poorly in the theater compared to similar films, but had sold significantly more digital and physical media copies, that would show a shift from watching at theaters to watching at home.

This summer had a particularly weak slate of films.  Nothing stopped WW or GotG2 from making a bundle, and the only thing hindering Spider-Man, I think, was the association with past Spidey films.  But another Pirates film?  Another Transformers movie?  Are we really shocked that they flopped?  Or that Alien: Covenant underperformed after the disappointment of Prometheus?

I know movie studios don't want to accept blame themselves, and want to throw it onto theaters, but unless you can track trends over time (and being down significantly from last year is not a trend over time), both in diminishing theater attendance and simultaneous growth in home media sales, all we've really got is:  The movies that came out this summer didn't inspire people to go to cinemas.

If there is a downward trend in theater attendance, but not a corresponding growth in home media, it may just be that the movie format is on its way out.  With home media in its current state, people may now be coming to prefer serialized or longer form media.  A number of directors are moving in that direction, from David Lynch to David Fincher to Martin Scorsese.  ~2 hours filmed features may now seem somewhat arbitrary to people.  I think if Lord of the Rings were being adapted today, it would more likely be an 18-part Netflix series than three 3-hour films. 
Back to Top profile | search
 
Robbie Parry
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 17 June 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 7754
Posted: 02 September 2017 at 1:00pm | IP Logged | 20 post reply

I know price plays a part in it. It's around five or six quid for me (on a cheap day) to see a film. I don't buy food. So that five/six quid pays for a ticket. And I consider that good value for a two-hour movie, especially as a DVD can cost a tenner.

But I know it's different for others. A Twitter friend told me it cost her 60 for a recent cinema trip (her, two daughters and one of the daughter's friends). That was ticket prices plus food/drink. That's a lot!

Relatively speaking, it's cheap. Attractions such as St Paul's Cathedral (London) charge 18 a ticket, certainly for adults. And for that you are probably in the cathedral for 15 minutes once you've seen everything. God knows what attractions like the Tower of London, Legoland and various museums cost. By comparison, a cinema outing for a family is still cheap, but on its own, I can understand people being put off by the 60 cost.

My friend did tell me that it'd have been much less than 60 for her to buy some sweets/drinks - and have her daughters/friend select a film at home via Netflix.

I guess it depends on what you are after.

Oh, and I'd have mandatory thirty-year jail sentences, without any chance of parole, for anyone whose phone was ringing during a movie...


Edited by Robbie Parry on 02 September 2017 at 1:01pm
Back to Top profile | search
 
Trevor Smith
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 21 September 2006
Location: Canada
Posts: 2836
Posted: 03 September 2017 at 5:13am | IP Logged | 21 post reply

"...60 for a recent cinema trip...That's a lot!"

**

I'd say - that's almost $100 Canadian! Madness.
Back to Top profile | search e-mail
 
Bill Collins
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 26 May 2005
Location: England
Posts: 8879
Posted: 03 September 2017 at 5:38am | IP Logged | 22 post reply

`Hell is other people`

I have a decent sized tv,a great surround set-up and a
bluray player,if there`s a film i REALLY want to see
on the big screen,i go to the first showing on a
Sunday morning,don`t buy expensive drinks or food(I am
quite capable of going three hours without stuffing my
face!)
This way i can usually avoid the hell of the general
public!

I buy bluray discs often when they`re cheap in a sale
or second hand,there`s a chain over here CEX that buys
and sells dvd/bluray second hand.
Also watch on Netflix or rent/stream a film off Sky
for 5.49 which is a lot cheaper for us as a couple to
visit the cinema!
To be quite honest,after a hard day at work we prefer
to sit in our comfy chairs,feet up,eating or drinking
our own treats with the ability to pause the film for
toilet breaks etc.
Also,by the time we get time off together,the new
films are relegated to one showing usually around
8pm,which is likely to be full of the viewers we
actively avoid!
Back to Top profile | search e-mail
 
Bill Collins
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 26 May 2005
Location: England
Posts: 8879
Posted: 03 September 2017 at 5:44am | IP Logged | 23 post reply

Saw a feature on cinema popcorn,the mark up is something
like 1,600% that is just taking the piss! If cinema`s
charged a realistic price for food/drinks they`d sell
more! What amazes me is that my local cinema is situated
on a shopping complex with a Sainsbury`s and Aldi
nearby,what am i going to do,but their extortionate
products or purchase from the supermarkets and smuggle
it in?
Back to Top profile | search e-mail
 
Robbie Parry
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 17 June 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 7754
Posted: 03 September 2017 at 10:04am | IP Logged | 24 post reply

Do bear in mind, Trevor, that, again, that's for four people and is, relatively speaking, far cheaper than any number of London attractions (this person lives in London). It'd have cost her more to buy an overpriced ticket to visit St Paul's Cathedral - and goodness knows how much Legoland costs. 

But it's still a lot.

I don't eat food in cinemas. I can hold off for a while. I do sympathize with a mother who has 3 kids (or more) to take. That food will soon cost a lot.

This is where home video could be superior to cinema. You'll never replicate the cinema screen size - yet! - but my friend could have bought a DVD for less than a tenner, got some food from a supermarket - and on a nice big home video screen, enjoyed a film with her daughters/their friend without it costing 60.
Back to Top profile | search
 
Shane Matlock
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 12 August 2012
Location: United States
Posts: 737
Posted: 03 September 2017 at 10:20am | IP Logged | 25 post reply

"The Communal Experience" for me has traditionally meant people talking too loud, parents not controlling their children, and in the Modern Age, cellphones sounding and people responding.

This is why, when there actually IS a movie I want to see in the theater, I usually go to a Wednesday matinee. Usually pretty close to a private showing!


****

My favorite times at the theater ever are going and finding out I'm alone or it's just me and the person I'm with. Although I have to say there is a palpable amount of excitement on opening night for a lot of films that can definitely be fun, but don't expect it to be quiet. 

It seems like a lot of people these days just don't learn good movie etiquette. They bring babies or talk through the whole movie. I just want to say, this is not your living room and I don't come here to hear your commentary version of this movie.

And then, as you say, there's the whole cell phone thing. I went to see Iron Man 2 with this girl I was dating and she saw the thing they play about not texting and she said, "What's wrong with texting if the sound is off?" For one thing, that bright light it distracting to literally every else that's not you. But it's completely distracting to you and you just paid ten bucks to see a movie. Why would you even want to text during a movie?

And as a few others have noted about eating, whose idea was it to make popcorn, which is a really loud thing to eat, the movie snack? It's too late now though, because we're stuck with it. I love popcorn and a film.

Back to Top profile | search
 

Page of 2 Next >>
  Post ReplyPost New Topic
Printable version Printable version

Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

 Active Topics | Member List | Search | Help | Register | Login