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Peter Martin
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One Man One Vote is the only system that should ever be considered
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This gets my vote (heh). Certainly, given the problems we've had with low voter turnouts, I don't think more hoops to jump through before you can vote are the answer. An intelligence test seems very undemocratic.
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I suggest a test, where you watch a video
in the voting booth of a used car salesman
attempting to start a car, that won't
crank. Then, he tries to sell, you the
viewer, the car. At the end of the video,
you the viewer /voter are asked if you'd
buy the car. If you mark, Yes, the voting
booth locks you out.

Personally, I hope that one day, we get
rid of the electoral college and get back
to the idea of One Man, One Vote.



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Looks like Bannon is out. Don't see the point, now, but there it is. 
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I was shocked at the `Brexit` vote here in the U.K. hearing conversations or seeing members of the public interviewed on tv,it became clear that many voters didn`t have a clue what they were voting for,or against…

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And everyone seems to have forgotten that it was a referendum, not a vote.

But that's a discussion for another thread.


"Anti-Pedantry Vote Cancelled, Due To Being Referendum".;-D

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Arnold speaks (suggesting what Trump should have said):

‘As President of the United States, and as a Republican, I reject the support of white supremacists. The country that defeated Hitler’s armies is no place for Nazi flags. The party of Lincoln won’t stand with those who carry the battle flags of the failed Confederacy.'

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Oh my god, if only. Words are so powerful, eh? What a person doesn't say speaks volumes.

There's a lot of clickbait around at the moment rumouring that 45 will resign. I'll believe it only when I see it.
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Trump might sneak out the back door of the WH by blaming "fake news" for preventing him from getting his REAL WORK done.
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I asked a Trump supporter at work how he thought the President was doing. "Well, the economy's doing great," he said. The nuclear pissing contest with North Korea, the tragedy in Charlottesville, the revolving door for White House staffers, and the tarnished image of the Presidency never even came up, so long as the economy's doing great. And Trump really had nothing to do with that.
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There's no way in high holy fuck Trump resigns. That would be admitting defeat, and as we all know, Trump never loses. 
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Oh, he could, Brian. The wanker would spin it positively, i.e. he'd say something like, "The fake news media prevented me doing my role, but away from the White House, I can and will work to create jobs and make America great again." If he stepped in dog-shite, he'd put a positive spin on it! 
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Trump seems already to be angling toward such a ploy:

“The public is learning (even more so) how dishonest the Fake News is. They totally misrepresent what I say about hate, bigotry etc. Shame!"

Fake News! How dare they broadcast exactly what he said by the insidious process of using recordings of him saying it!

There was one writer I worked with (not Chris) who seemed utterly unable to stand behind anything he ever said. For him I coined "I did not say what I said when I did not say it!" Rump in a nutshell.

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And that was deliberate, by the way. That's how everyone should spell his name.
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"Fake News! How dare they broadcast exactly what he said by the insidious process of using recordings of him saying it!"

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Didn't seem like it mattered to the base.
A CBS poll had 67% of Republicans polled agreeing with Trump's comments on Charlottesville.
He's got them all "Hypnotized"!
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One of my wealthy White neighbors* said it was "White fear" that got Rump elected. Seeming truer every day!

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* Who did not vote for Rump.

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Trump is apt,in the UK it means a fart.
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JB: "One Man One Vote is the only system that should ever be considered"

I agree with the sentiment and the democratic process. But part of me keeps saying that that process means the the voters include those who don't read - I mean ANYTHING. They believe only what the see on their favorite news channel, and I don't know if there is a single unbiased news program out there.

And there are those Americans who are DESPERATE for royalty again. They do not want to be involved in determining their civic leaders; they do not care to indulge in matters of public interest; they want someone to handle things for them, so long as they keep their jobs and homes and food on the table, and get to get rid of those others who want to take everything away from them.

These are obviously matters that could be countered by basic education. I just fear that most Americans would vote for bread and circuses without the least idea of how their nation, state, city is being run.

And yet, in the end, I'm not sure that there's any better system than One Man, One Vote. And yes, please be sure that by "Man", I include women. I'd say "of course", but it may not feel natural to too many people either.
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The first two years of the President's
budget is the previous administrations
budget. Anything positive happing to the
economy is all due to Obama. So a dumb sss
like Trump of course thinks he did
something when absolutely nothing of his
agenda is in place and won't be for
awhile.
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The first two years of the President's 
budget is the previous administrations 
budget. Anything positive happing to the 
economy is all due to Obama. So a dumb sss 
like Trump of course thinks he did 
something when absolutely nothing of his 
agenda is in place and won't be for 
awhile.

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This is a common trick used by politicians, including UK ones.

Anything good happening early in an administration, they can say, "Look it's us. We're making a difference." But as UK parties often do, any bad thing can be, "Hey, the previous administration was in power for 13 years. It's not our fault." Typical politics.
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Trump is apt,in the UK it means a fart.

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In America it means to win.

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Pride
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Brian Miller
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Rumblings are that Breitbart and Bannon are gonna declare all-out war on Trump now. 
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 Eric Sofer wrote:
...I agree with the sentiment and the democratic process. But part of me keeps saying that that process means the the voters include those who don't read - I mean ANYTHING..


This is an argument I have heard before. Whenever I hear this, frankly elitist, excuse for not abandoning the Electoral College, I cry bullhockey! The last twenty years the "dumb" Americans won the popular vote, but lost the election because of the EC... How'd that turn out?

Edited to add: Let's also be serious... The true imbeciles out there, those that don't read, etc., can't be bothered to vote, anyway. Nah, I think we should trust the greater American public. Had we done so this last election, the guy in charge now would not have been in our nation's highest office.



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