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John Byrne
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Posted: 16 August 2017 at 7:50pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I'll end by saying OHMSS was a favorite of mine for a long time, mostly because it had - egads, a story?

Curious, now. What was it about the previous Bond movies that made them seem to you to lack stories?

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I'm late to the party but here are my 2 cents.

In general I have liked all the Bonds. Connery was definitely the "coolest" Bond. I still don't know if that is because he was the first, or Connery just is that much cooler than all the other actors.

I only saw OHMSS once and aside from the car assassination scene, I can't remember anything about that one. I think I know what movie to rent tonight...ha.

I grew up with Moore so he gets extra love for the memories. I do think some of his movies and/or lines were getting way too campy. I never really like Moonraker for some reason.

I liked Dalton and was surprised when his run ended so soon. I know he was very focussed to put some more emotional feeling into his Bond so I thought that was a good choice.

Brosnan was ok and before he was cast, I thought he'd make a perfect Bond. He just got stuck with a couple underperforming plots/scripts. He also was hindered being in the time when some CGI was being experimented with and it was awful.

Craig's Bond has been the most physically capable but has felt the least Bond-like to me.

I think Luke Evans could make a good Bond. I saw him all dressed up in a 3 piece suit and thought I was seeing James Bond in the flesh. Weird, I know.

While I,  believe the competition is getting tougher with other bond-like movies franchises. James Bond is still a unique character and no one is as cool as this guy....no one.

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I like Craig's Bond, and his best movies are better than all of Roger Moore's, but he, and his Bond, don't seem like they enjoy their jobs very much. And Janmes Bond may rue the bruises, the hangover and syphilis, but he likes his job, damnit.
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Robert, I agree with you about Luke Evans. I think he'd make a better Bond than Tom Hiddleston, whose name has been bandied about.

David, they made Craig's Bond way too cynical. Brosnan's version was to an extent, but they went overboard with Craig.




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Here are my Movie Bond Preferences:

Sean Connery was definitely my number 1.  Part of the reason is that he was the first one I saw - Thunderball is my favorite of the one's he did, if I had to pick a favorite.

Pierce Bronson is my number 2 Bond, especially in "The World is Not Enough"

I honestly don't know why people slam George Lazenby so  much.  I enjoyed OHMSS (but maybe it was because of Diana Rigg).

Roger Moore would be #4, but I did grow tired of him as time went on. I felt Live and Let Die was his best effort.

I liked Tim Dalton even though he was one of the most intense Bonds.

Daniel Craig's Bond is, unfortunately, at the bottom of my list.  I've not done a repeat viewing of any of his Bond outings.  His portrayal just seemed more like the "Bourne Identity" than James Bond, though maybe that's the writer/director's fault and not Daniel Craig himself.

I'm not counting Casino Royale (from the 60's) in this ranking.  That one was not a Bond film (and I've never been able to get through it).
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Ever since the first publicity shot I saw of him, Craig has struck me as a street thug dressing up as high society.

I'll probably see the next Bond film, just like I've seen all the others, but still waiting for the next *real* James Bond.

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Ever since the first publicity shot I saw of him, Craig has struck me as a street thug dressing up as high society.

My impression was, and remains, the opposite. What you describe would be an excellent Bond. But Craig seems to be posing.

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Despite the blond hair, Craig has been the most Bond-like than any of the other actors.  He's cold and ruthless in his job.  He treats women as tools to get the job done, but he not a womanizer.  (That was an invention of the movies.)  Matter of fact, in the Fleming books he's only had 2 "long term" relationships: Tiffany Case and Teresa di Vicenzo (whom he married).  
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But Daniel Craig is so bloody dour!

The Craig films don't have to resort to the ridiculous comic templates of the Roger Moore entries... but couldn't they have been a little more fun?



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My two cents... I think that when the Bond producers re-cast the role for Craig they were looking for a 007 that was less comedic, more modern, and more dangerous.

Casino Royale starts off with Bond taking on bomb makers and financiers of terrorist organizations and he absorbs a lot of punishment in the process. Craig is certainly the most physically imposing of the actors who have played 007 and I think that his onscreen version of Bond is one that is a lot more cynical and cutthroat because he is taking on very different and more violent enemies than the ones we are used to seeing in the previous Bond films. Craig actually looks like a guy that you wouldn't want to mess with (in Craig's words, "half monk, half hitman"), something that was lacking when Moore, Dalton, and Brosnan were onscreen. I have nothing against them as actors and I enjoyed several of their turns as 007. But in a violent world like today you probably don't want a James Bond that looks like a male model instead of a badass.

That level of menace in Casino Royale wasn't maintained as we transitioned to different bad guys in Quantum of Solace, Skyfall, and Spectre. But I think that Craig has continued to portray a more ruthless version of Bond given the times we live in and the threats we are now facing. I am okay with it because I don't think the franchise can stay stuck in the past by having 007 take on the same old megalomaniacs that are intent on world domination and operating from their secret hideouts while surrounded by femme fatales. I don't think modern audiences would buy that anymore.

For me Connery is still #1 as he is the 007 that I was first introduced to and he blended sophistication and danger very well onscreen. I like Craig's version as well but I think that he should step down from the role before he gets any longer in the tooth. This next Bond film should be his last so that he can hand the torch off to someone new.
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[Bond] treats women as tools to get the job done, but he not a womanizer. (That was an invention of the movies.) Matter of fact, in the Fleming books he's only had 2 "long term" relationships: Tiffany Case and Teresa di Vicenzo (whom he married).

Not sure how you can define those ladies as Bond's only "long term" relationships. There was a new "Bond Girl" in every book, and often one or two others along the way. Fleming did not define how long the relationships lasted, but since a new book came out about once a year, and rarely was a mention made of previous girlfriends, we don't have any way of judging how long the ladies lasted in "real time."

And, Teresa? Really? She was one of Bond's shortest relationships, tho obviously the choice was not his.

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Craig is certainly the most physically imposing of the actors who have played 007

At 5'10" compared to Connery's 6'2", I would dispute that statement.

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Craig is certainly the most physically imposing of the actors who have played 007

At 5'10" compared to Connery's 6'2", I would dispute that statement.

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I was speaking more to Craig's physique and muscle tone, which are often on display in his 007 films. I think it makes up for his relative lack of height as compared to Connery. 

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Interesting comment considering Connery
placed third in the 1950 Mr. Universe
contest. In a imaginary fight where both
actors are in there Bond prime, my money's
on Connery.

I do enjoy Craig as Bond. I thought CASINO
ROYALE and SKYFALL were excellent. I
thought QUANTUM OF SOLACE was an epilogue
not wothry of fleshing out. But since it
exists and there is supposedly a thread
through all four, SPECTRE needed to be a
better payoff. Hope the fifth one is
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My impression of Daniel Craig is
A) from scene one of his first movie, he looked too old to play Bond. Never mind his real age or how old the others were when they had their turn... he gave me the feeling that I was watching a declining Bond.

B) Craig seems to have a short range. Angry, sarcastic, or rebellious seem to be about it. I mean, I'm not looking for Shecky Greene to play James Bond*. I don't need a laugh fest. But Craig just seems as if he's forming diamonds in his colon all the time.

C) On a similar note, I have seen Bond in many moods. To me, the only thing that remains consistent (or should) is that he is confident. He may get nervous or anxious, but he never seems desperate, or without some solution. I might even compare Bond to Batman... he seems to know what needs to be done and how to effect that. I rarely get that from Craig.

Of course others have different opinions, and I doubt that we could find two identical lists of which actors were the best Bonds, worst to first, on this whole board. In a slightly different tone, David Niven could easily have been the best Bond ever. Or possibly Peter Sellers might have acquitted himself well.

Okay, Woody Allen is straight out.

I just feel that James Bond should be worldly, confident and cool in every situation... and I rarely think that Daniel Craig's character is cool.

*Too Jewish.


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