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Bill Collins
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Posted: 07 September 2018 at 1:18pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I agree, they were giving us Hobbits in the same frame
as normal sized people around that time, would a
Galactus sized guy be THAT expensive?
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Didnít have the budget? This was post Ghostbusters & the Stay Puft Marshmellow man, post The Phantom Menace, Post King Kong.

This had CGI shots of holes opening up in the Thames & That big sodding cloud approaching multiple planets. They could have created shots of a giant purple guy if they wanted to. They were just being idiots
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Big guy in suit does not a big budget make. They easily could have realised a respectful, faithful Galactus, but I suspect that oh-so-common contempt/fear/loathing for the source was the barrier.
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Posted: 08 September 2018 at 8:42pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Their concern wasn't budget, it was about thinking audiences would laugh at the sight of a giant guy in a purple outfit.
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Posted: 09 September 2018 at 12:49am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Source?  Or just your presumption?
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I recall reading about it back when the movie came out. Like Peter said, there was (and to some degree still is) a degree of contempt/fear/loathing for the source material and not wanting things to look overly silly. That's why you see changes to things like costumes, etc. 
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Posted: 09 September 2018 at 12:44pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

You can also see a hint of Galactus' silhouette when the Surfer is speaking to him in the following scene.

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I counted 5 different times just in that one minute.
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Doug, why wouldn't Fox have had the budget? That's not a rhetorical or smart-arse question (damn the lack of body language online, eh?!), but genuinely curious as to why a big studio couldn't have given us a proper Galactus.

Budget means just that: the amount of money allocated to a particular film. It does not mean "all the money a studio has available." And it does not mean what you or I think something should cost, but rather, what it actually costs relative to the rest of the production.

FF 2's script was greenlit and budgeted with a focus on the Surfer, improving sets and VFX for the FF and Doctor Doom, and a plan to include Galactus in the final moments. With the film well underway and costs climbing due to the extent of the existing characters' VFX needs, bids for Galactus shots came in much higher than initially spec'd, and both the studio and the production team decided to wait until they could answer questions like: Who will play him, and how is that person to be paid and featured? What is he standing on? Will we show him talking? Will we show his ship? Will he make world-destroying machinery out of thin air? Will he unleash the Punisher? 

In some cases, simply exploring these decisions carried costs that were justifiably deemed too high to assume late in the game for a film in which he'd only be featured for a few shots. They punted, and I repeat: that was not a bad call under the circumstances.


I agree, they were giving us Hobbits in the same frame as normal sized people around that time, would a Galactus sized guy be THAT expensive?

Frodo is 1/3rd the size of a human and was realized mostly using in-camera FX with a lot of development time to fine-tune the techniques. Galactus is nearly 30 feet tall, has been described as a "force of nature", and his development came late in the game. Not even remotely same thing in budget terms.


Didnít have the budget? This was post Ghostbusters & the Stay Puft Marshmellow man, post The Phantom Menace, Post King Kong.

I don't understand what you are getting at here. Three different productions from different eras made under completely different circumstances--and two of them with horrible levels of VFX excess. In no way are any of these a barometer for how Fox should have approached Galactus, unless you think Boss Nass is where the bar was set.


Big guy in suit does not a big budget make. They easily could have realised a respectful, faithful Galactus, but I suspect that oh-so-common contempt/fear/loathing for the source was the barrier.

I don't know why you guys think "big guy in suit" or "big purple guy" would have been the extent of the work required to bring Galactus to life onscreen for this film. Given what had already been allocated for the production, there was nothing "easy" about adding Galactus and the decision not to do so had nothing to do with the motivations you claim. 

My disappointment--and even anger--with the Fox's handling of the franchise is as great as anyone here. The sins are many--bad casting, bad writing, etc. But however poor the execution, there was a very clear initiative at Fox to put a more faithful version of the FF onscreen in RISE than the previous film. Ultimately, the second film couldn't shed the baggage of the first, but it wasn't for lack of trying. 

I've suffered through the same shit-ass superhero adaptions in all forms of media as everyone else. But it is plainly obvious given the silhouette that they deliberately included in multiple shots that Fox was not crapping on the character, but rather, waiting to fully feature him in a subsequent film. We have more than enough hard evidence to show that when a filmmaker or executive dislikes a character, we will know it. The notion that this studio must hate the source material because they only featured Galactus' shadow is nonsense. 

Which brings me back to the point I was originally making: Fox has made a litany of mistakes with Marvel properties, but criticizing the studio for only hinting at Galactus in an otherwise mediocre movie is like calling up the bad contractor who nearly ruined your house and yelling at him because he didn't have time to do any work on your garage. Some things are better left untouched. 
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The original plan was to do a Silver Surfer spin-off movie, featuring a traditional Galactus, after the second FF film.  Then that film underperformed at the box office and those plans got cancelled.  So the presentation in FF 2 was probably a combination of budget controls on a sequel to a film that only did 'okay' at the box office, and saving big reveals about the character and his backstory for the Surfer film/potential franchise.
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Thread drift!

Back to INFINITY WAR or start a new topic about FF - although I think Doug just gave us the definitive POV of the subject in his last post.



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Posted: 26 September 2018 at 7:27am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I wonder if we'll see a "ripple effect" when everything comes back to normal and, as a bonus in an end credit scene, a spaceship with 4 astronauts in space affected by the ripple...
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It's an interesting opportunity to recast/introduce actors and characters to an ongoing franchise.  I wonder if any of the older actors like Douglas and Pfeiffer will be recast younger so we can have the "real" Hank Pym/Ant-Man and JVD/Wasp?
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Watching it again, at home with my son, in anticipation of ENDGAME...

I have to go on record and just flat-out admit:  I don't like it.

To me, it feels overstuffed, awkwardly paced & edited, tonally uneven, and unwieldy (with a lot of forced humor), to the point that it reminds me of one of those notorious "Extended Editions" that Peter Jackson would always put out in the '00s.

It's ambitious enough, with (thankfully) some quieter moments sprinkled throughout, and it's far from the gloppy mess that JUSTICE LEAGUE ended-up being, but it's all just too much for this viewer.  Not one I can see revisiting too often, unless ENDGAME proves to be a masterpiece.

(BUT:  There's also no denying that "The Snap" is one of the most instantly-iconic cinematic moments of the '10s.)




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Totally, unequivocally disagree with you on every single point. I get that your opinion is that it's not for you, but I disagree on every level that it's "overstuffed, awkwardly paced & edited, tonally uneven, and unwieldy". I've seen it many times since it premiered and have come away from it awed by the sheer audacity of the story, the complexity of the characters and the balls (sorry) it took to pull it off. In the end, for me, it resulted in a compelling film that totally upset the apple cart where superhero films are concerned.

Reading your previous thoughts on INFINITY WAR I realize we're never going to agree.  Just wanted to highlight a different narrative.  
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Actually, I was pretty impressed with the way the Russos edited and paced INFINITY WAR.... seemed like I was watching a comic book come to life corny as that may sound.

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Posted: 11 April 2019 at 12:38pm | IP Logged | 16 post reply

Exactly. Carlos, you hit the nail on the head. 
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(Trust me, I'm well aware that I'm in the minority for this one!)



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Posted: 11 April 2019 at 5:33pm | IP Logged | 18 post reply

Please donít think that was a dig towards you, Shaun. It wasnít. 
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(Not at all, Brian... all I see above are civil, respectful disagreements.  Nothing wrong with that... and I'm certainly not begrudging anyone for liking INFINITY WAR, either.  I wish I could love it like the majority of Marvel movie fans... I just don't.  No harm, no foul!)



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