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Matt Hawes
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Posted: 12 September 2017 at 10:08pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I was a fan the moment I watched it, no guilt involved. I like oddball stuff, and novelties,  though.
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Posted: 12 September 2017 at 10:27pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

"Good" bad films are appreciated by the fans of such films because they derive entertainment from the film in spite of its shortcomings.  While such films do not garner fan appreciation in the manner for which the filmmakers originally intended, many of the people who worked on such films (which invariably are elevated to a status of a cult classic) realize at some point that it is good that they have reached an audience at all.

Frankly, truly bad films, the kind that are either so boring, or so hard to watch for whatever reason, do not get discussed and celebrated, but rather are forgotten.  I think those filmmakers would wish their film had connected with an audience in some way, even if the appreciation is ironic.

Fans of "good" bad films are genuine, and truly enjoy such films in a way every bit as much as true classics that the general viewership concurs are great films. Like with anything,  not everybody's tastes align with each other, so there are those who view fans of "good" bad films as being derisive of the films. But that is wrong. If the fans of such films truly hated those films, they would be dismissed and eventually forgotten. 

Ed Wood, Tommy Wiseau, and more recently,  Neil Breen, are people who apparently set out to make great films with a meaning,  but feel short in the eyes of the masses, yet they succeeded on touching a nerve with a specific segment of movie watchers. Again, they did not succeed in their intent with their films, but in the end they still were successful in another way in that they still brought joy and entertainment to an audience. And dare I say, their audiences actually are more devoted and truly care about their films than most people do of the average Hollywood film.


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Posted: 12 September 2017 at 11:48pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Frankly, truly bad films, the kind that are either so boring, or so hard to watch for whatever reason, do not get discussed and celebrated, but rather are forgotten.  I think those filmmakers would wish their film had connected with an audience in some way, even if the appreciation is ironic.
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Well said, Matt.

With most bad movies, you can watch the first ten minutes, have an idea of what it is, and be done with it. THE ROOM finds new and more bizarre ways to suck in literally every scene. It's never boring (because you're always busy trying to figure out the point of a scene/moment, or busy being transfixed by bizarre line-readings of insane dialogue), and is strangely compelling and beguiling.

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This really leans hard into the "bread and circuses" aspects of our society.
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Posted: 13 September 2017 at 7:20am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I had not heard of "bread and circuses" before today and now that I have looked it up I am surprised it has not been expressed regarding the current president. Thanks, JB.

I have never understood watching a bad movie because of the sheer magnitude of its awfulness. I do enjoy MST2K from time to time, but I never ran out to watch Plan 9 or any of the movies widely acknowledged as so bad they are good. I almost watched Best Worst Movie once, but passed. I don't think The Disaster Artist is going to get my time or money.
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Posted: 13 September 2017 at 10:30am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Eric, my point is that fans of "good" bad films do NOT watch those films because of the "sheer magnitude of its awfulness", but rather because despite the ineptitude of the filmmakers, there still exists something entertaining with the work.

Anyway, clearly not everyone will derive that entertainment from such films, hence that they are regarded as "cult" films. They never were going to be, and still never will be mainstream entertainment. But what the "good" bad films have done is something that the truly awful bad films never could do, and that is they found an appreciative audience.

Yet another example of "different strokes for different folks."


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Gotcha, Matt. We clearly see eye to eye on lots of stuff, but this is definitely a different strokes kinda thing. I'm reminded of a question a friend used to ask about this subject, "Would you rather see a bad story acted well or a good story poorly acted"? Both categories have their problems, but I suspect fans of cult classics find the entertainment with either type of movie and enjoy them even more when low budgets, bad photography, etc. get mixed in.


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