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Greg Kirkman
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In the spirit of the Top JB Moments thread in the main section, and now the TREK Top Ten in the STAR TREK section, I figured I'd keep the fun going over here. STAR WARS is obviously a more limited franchise than STAR TREK and our host's body of work, so here are the guidelines: feel free to rank all of the STAR WARS films, from favorite to least favorite (...looking forward to snarky responses regarding the sequels and prequels...), and also feel free to rank your top five moments from the series as a whole, or from each individual film, if you're so inclined.


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Star Wars
The Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
The Phantom Menace
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
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Star Wars
The Empire Strikes Back
Return of The Jedi
Rogue One
The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
Phantom Menace
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Star Wars
Empire Strikes Back
Revenge of the Sith
Rogue One
Return of the Jedi
The Force Awakens
Attack of the Clones
Phantom Menace


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Star Wars
The Empire Strikes Back
The Force Awakens
Rogue One
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
Return of The Jedi
The Phantom Menace

To add some context to my list, I really only think the original film is good -- and only when viewed in a vacuum. Of the rest, those that I find to at least be moderately entertaining -- #2 through 4 on my list -- mostly work through a combination of nostalgia and wishful thinking.  The rest don't even work on those levels.


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STAR WARS
EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
RETURN OF THE JEDI
THE FORCE AWAKENS
ROGUE ONE
REVENGE OF THE SITH
ATTACK OF THE CLONES
THE PHANTOM MENACE
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STAR WARS
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
(These two were my childhood.)

RETURN OF THE JEDI
(Shine started to come off, even at age 10, but I'm still loaded with nostalgia for this one.)

THE FORCE AWAKENS
(Really, really dumb, but entertaining--gets by on a strong cast.)

ROGUE ONE
(Really well-made, but also kind of bland & boring--6 months later, still can't recall any character names from this one.)

THE PHANTOM MENACE
(Not good, but still interesting to revisit, just to see where we all thought it was headed.  Plus: Liam Neeson.)

ATTACK OF THE CLONES
(Insipid romance, horrid acting, cringe-worthy dialogue--yes, even moreso than usual--in some ways maybe even the worst STAR WARS film, but...)

REVENGE OF THE SITH
(...this one gets my vote.  It's all CGI razzle-dazzle and sound & fury, when it's not boring you to tears. Sticking Darth Vader in at the end does not automatically make this a good movie.  This one film encompasses every single thing wrong with the Prequels.)


And don't forget:
STAR WARS: THE CLONE WARS (2008)
(Didn't bother with this CGI cartoon in the theaters, tried giving it a shot at home... I found it unwatchable.  For tykes only.)





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STAR WARS
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
THE FORCE AWAKENS
RETURN OF THE JEDI
ROGUE ONE
ATTACK OF THE CLONES
THE PHANTOM MENACE
REVENGE OF THE SITH
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Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars
Return of the Jedi
Force Awakens
Rogue One
Caravan of Courage
Ewoks: Battle For Endor
The Phantom Menace
The Star Wars Holiday Special
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones

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The original never equaled:
Star Wars

The sequels ranked:
Attack of the Clones
Return of the Jedi
Phantom Menace
Empire Strikes Back
Revenge of the Sith
(Yeah...I prefer light fun over dark depression)

The Fan-fic:
Rogue One (the fight at the end was fun)
Force Awakens (the fight at the end was not fun)
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Star Wars (regardless of anything else, just the perfect movie and my all time number one. What Lucas did with this movie and the impact it had on my life was incredible)

The Empire Strikes Back (an incredible sequel. I was 11 when this came out and was blown away but the guts shown in the film. It ended on multiple cliff hangers and was not kind to its lead characters at all. Closest I had see to the tone of The X-Men comic at the time)

Return of the Jedi (it was a long three years waiting for this to come out. I had a countdown on my calendar that was on my wall. Yes it has its flaws, but it also has the most choreographed space battle I have ever seen.)

Rogue One (as more of these films are released, Star Wars fits less and less with what comes after, but I still like an awful lot of this film. It has a really good space battle and a lot of shout outs to Rebels so yay (I live in a strange dichotomy of life with Star Wars now. Anger at how everything makes Star Wars wrong - Han is an idiot for not knowing about the force when he was a teenager during the Clone Wars, not only did Obi Wan age really badly, but so did Owen and Beru who also went from 20 to 60 in 18 years, there are multiple Jedi running around within six months of Luke entering the fray etc - yet unable to say 'enough's enough, this destroys Star Wars and I will only look at it purely on those terms'. I'm still drawn to this saga as my ultimate love and cannot let it go)

The Force Awakens (I cried when the Millennium Falcon took off. This felt like Star Wars to me, even though Starkiller base makes me SO angry)

The Phantom Menace (this was such a departure and gets a really bad rap. I've recently watched all the prequels again after not watching them for a few years and really enjoyed them. This film changed the way movies are made just as much as Star Wars did. At the time everyone complained about the excessive use of CGI backgrounds. Now? Try to find a shot from a blockbuster where there is not a patch of blue or green in the background. People complain about Jar Jar as a CGI character but no one complains about Watto - because that character was that good. People just don't realise it. It was set too close to Star Wars though)

Revenge of the Sith (remarkably prescient to today's world 'So this is how democracy dies. With thunderous applause'. Indeed)

Attack of the Clones (some interesting stuff, a good ground battle. Not much else to say really)

I realise many of my comments are in the negative here. I think that is due to the love/hate thing going on. When I put my brain in neutral, I go with it and enjoy the films but this 18 year thing and having Jedi running around six months before Luke really is straining me, despite liking Rebels as a 'thing'.

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A difficulty in composing lists like this goes back to a point I have made many times: the "sequels" so eviscerated the original that it no longer really fits into the "chronology." Too much to explain.

In effect, there is STAR WARS (no Episode Number or Subtitle) and then, as entirely different entities, there are all the others.

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STAR WARS
EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
All of the rest except for...
ATTACK OF THE CLONES- I've seen plenty of bad movies but none of them put me to sleep.  This one caused me to fall asleep in the theater. 

Top Moments
The opening scene of SW showing the enormity of the Star Destroyer.
Darth Vader's entrance 
Luke and the twin sunset
Luke and Leia swinging over the chasm
"You're all clear, kid!"- I was young enough to believe that Han was really gone and not coming back. Today the over saturation of trailers and spoilers on the internet would have ruined that moment. 

The rest of the films have their moments. The one that stands out the most at this minute is Vader's scene at the end of ROGUE ONE.  It re-established Darth as a nasty badass rather than the whiny cry baby he was in the prequels. 
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Even if JB's answer is probably the most valid I will go with:

STAR WARS





and far behind:

EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
RETURN OF THE JEDI




THE PHANTOM MENACE
REVENGE OF THE SITH



THE FORCE AWAKENS

ROGUE ONE






ATTACK OF THE CLONES



As for my favorite moments, they would probably all come from the original movie.

I'm curious about YOUR list, Mr. Kirkman.


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Darth as a nasty badass rather than the whiny cry baby he was in the prequels.

Everything that went wrong after STAR WARS in a nutshell.

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EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
STAR WARS
ROGUE ONE
REVENGE OF THE SITH
THE FORCE AWAKENS
ATTACK OF THE CLONES
RETURN OF THE JEDI
PHANTOM MENACE

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STAR WARS

No "A New Hope."

No "Special Editions" or other fuckery.

Lightning in a bottle. Changed how movies were made and marketed. Simple, clean plot. Groundbreaking special effects. And one of the best film scores, ever.

I watch it once or twice a year (on non-anamorphic DVD).


I figure it's been about 10 years since I've watched EMPIRE or JEDI in their entirety. About as long for the prequels, too. Except ROGUE ONE, which is also a prequel. Have only seen that once, and that was enough. Saw THE FORCE AWAKENS a couple of times, and that was ok. So far, I have very little excitement for future installments.

Edited for some actual ranking:

For me: STAR WARS is far, far and away the best film in the franchise.


TESB, ROTJ, TFA and ROGUE ONE are all on about the same level.



The prequels fall to the bottom, with THE PHANTOM MENACE taking the 'prize' as worst.

This is all strictly opinion, of course.


Except STAR WARS. It's the best.





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Star Wars
Empire Strikes Back
The Force Awakens
Rogue One
Return of the Jedi
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
Phantom Menace
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Star Wars
Empire strikes back
Rogue One
Return of the Jedi
The force awakes
Attack of the Clones
Phantom Menace
Revenge of the Sith
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Star Wars
Return of the Jedi
Empire Strikes Back
Rogue One
The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
Phantom Menace


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I'm curious about YOUR list, Mr. Kirkman.
++++++++

I was afraid someone would ask!

As many of you know, I wasn't around for the original films at the time of their release. To borrow a line from THE TERMINATOR, I grew up after...in the ruins. The original trilogy was my bread and butter as a child, and that makes it harder to look at them objectively. As time as gone on, the sequels have become a bit less to me, and the original has been elevated. If you'd asked me as a child what my favorite movie of all time was, I'd have said EMPIRE without hesitation, since I tend to skew toward cynicism and soap opera in my fiction.

Compiling a list like this is very difficult for me, because there's a LOT of conflict. Nostalgia is a very powerful thing. Enjoying a film is not the same as evaluating how objectively-well made it is. The Disney films are more well-made in certain areas than the prequels, but I think they've actually been far more destructive and fannish than the prequels ever were. I know it could be considered a war crime to do so, but I don't hate the prequels, and haven't drunk the Kool-Aid for the Disney films.

So, I'm going to cheat, here (My thread, my rules to break!), and make two lists: My "enjoyment" list and my "objective" list.


The films listed based purely on my enjoyment level:

STAR WARS (still one of the single greatest films ever made)
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (hindered only by its rewriting/retconning of the original, and the fact that it's not quite a stand-alone story)
RETURN OF THE JEDI (some of the best moments and visuals in the entire series mixed with some very poor ideas and moments)
REVENGE OF THE SITH (the meat of the prequels, with some key missteps that diminish it)
ATTACK OF THE CLONES (some great action setpieces)
THE PHANTOM MENACE (groundbreaking in some ways, frustrating in others)
ROGUE ONE (some cool and fannish moments, but kinda forgettable)
THE FORCE AWAKENS (Well-made, but fannish and derivative to the extreme, and it guts the happy ending of the my beloved original trilogy. Also, Abrams.)


The films listed based on my reasonably (I hope!) objective analysis as to their overall quality:

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (controversial retcons aside, I still assert that EMPIRE is the best-made film in the entire series)
STAR WARS (a miracle of a film that all came together at the last minute)
RETURN OF THE JEDI (solid production, some weak story points)
REVENGE OF THE SITH (interesting ideas, but, of all the prequels, comes closest to generating real emotions)
THE FORCE AWAKENS (slick fanfilm)
ATTACK OF THE CLONES (bogged down by pacing and the romance subplot)
THE PHANTOM MENACE (interesting ideas, weak execution)
ROGUE ONE (looks great, bland characters and draggy first hour)
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 QUOTE:
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (controversial retcons aside, I still assert that EMPIRE is the best-made film in the entire series)

Why, you stuck up... half-witted... scruffy-looking... Nerf-herder!
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For me, there is STAR WARS, and nothing else.

But -- leaving that movie aside -- and given (if not accepting) that EMPIRE already profoundly changed the nature of the original -- I think that EMPIRE/JEDI was a missed opportunity to make its own decent two-part "stand-alone" film. I'm no great fan of EMPIRE even on its own merits, but JEDI was a huge dip comparatively. If at least JEDI had tried to be a genuine sequel to EMPIRE, a true part-two, up to the same standard, and damn the original movie, I think it likely the two together could have been very good for what they were. (I still wouldn't have thought them "Star Wars" movies, but...)
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Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars
Return of the Jedi 
Rogue One
Revenge of the Sith 
Force Awakens 
Attack of the Clones 
The Phantom Menace 
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