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Jason Larouse
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Posted: 20 April 2017 at 11:31am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

So, some of you may have remembered that it was a news item a few months ago that Captain America had been brainwashed by Hydra. Well spoilers for the first issue of the latest Marvel "event" came out today. Behold:

"It turns out that in the Marvel Universe, the Nazis won the war and it was the Allies who used the Cosmic Cube to rewrite history. That's revelation number one, but the truth is that Captain America was always loyal to Hydra. The actions of the Allies changed his life and left him with false memories of the war until fate led to the Red Skull using Kobik not to change his history, but actually restore it.

What this means is that Captain America has always been a villain. To call this shocking would be an understatement and it's something sure to upset fans hoping Steve would be "restored" to his old self.

 While Captain America's adventures from when he was recovered from the ice all happened, the heroic Steve we all know and loved was a lie created by Cosmic Cube wielding Allies who wanted to save the world from the Nazis. In reality, Cap was always a spy who was loyal to Hydra and the version we're getting now is what he was always meant to be."

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/comics/marvel_comics/spoilers -secret-empire-0s-shocking-captain-america-secret-changes-ev erything-a150486


I am dumbfounded. 


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David Allen Perrin
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Posted: 20 April 2017 at 11:34am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Yeah.   I'm gonna pretend I didn't read that.

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Anthony J Lombardi
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Posted: 20 April 2017 at 11:34am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Captain America will eventually be restored to status quo. Unfortunately for those of us who really have a fondness for the character. We'll have to suffer through a long and disappointing story line before it happens. Here comes another Clone Saga.
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Leigh DJ Hunt
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Posted: 20 April 2017 at 11:34am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I know, I was absolutely shocked when I saw this a few days ago. I know it's all made up stories and we shouldn't really care but I really thought this was an easy fix and now it seems even more befouled than before.
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Kevin Brown
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Posted: 20 April 2017 at 11:40am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

sigh......
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 20 April 2017 at 12:47pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Is it possible to scrub your brain hard enough that you don't remember stuff? I really wish I hadn't read that.
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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 20 April 2017 at 12:53pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

After last year's "Hail Hydra" stunt, it's a bit apparent that Marvel is
using any outrage for publicity. Just ignore it. The bad guys are the
ones explaining Cap's secret history, and at some point this will be
revealed as lie upon a lie upon a lie. Until then, no need to feed the
beast.
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Paul Gibney
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Posted: 20 April 2017 at 1:36pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Who's idea was this? I ask so as to avoid any future output from the same source.
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Paul Go
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Posted: 20 April 2017 at 1:49pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

It's sad when the movie version of a comic character gets it closer than the comic version.  
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John Young
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Posted: 20 April 2017 at 2:18pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

I am dumber now.
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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 20 April 2017 at 3:28pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

What I find shocking is that anyone is buying this crap. Especially with the movies doing so well staying closer to the source material.

I really do miss the ol' Marvel Universe. This current one is hellbent on destroying all these beloved characters Stan and Jack created.

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Michael Hogan
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Can one of our mods go into my brain and delete my memory of this
thread? Please?
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Posted: 20 April 2017 at 5:33pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

It's the kind of stunt that a failing comics company would resort to, desperate to bring attention to a character nobody cares about anymore. But most movie watchers across the world know and enjoy Captain America. Strange. 
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The stuff they are putting out is essentially fan fiction.  It has all the hallmarks/tropes of fanfic, including emphasis on shock value, anal continuity wankage, and people behaving wildly out of character.  And the only people that read it are hardcore fans.  It's too bad Marvel has reduced itself to a small-scale fan-fic operation, but I try not to get too upset about it.  I still have all my old comics, the real stuff.
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Posted: 20 April 2017 at 6:54pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

Everyone should protest with their dollars. If nobody
buys it, the message will be sent. I refuse to buy
another book from the house of bad ideas until I get a
version of Captain America that I love.
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This plotline is a kick in the stomach to me. With every installment it just gets worse and the hole Marvel is putting Steve Rogers in gets deeper. I don't know how the character can recover from this. Murder, betrayal. lies and deceit from Captain America.  Not sure what Marvel was thinking when this was given the green light. 
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Phillip L Lightfoot
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Posted: 20 April 2017 at 7:03pm | IP Logged | 17 post reply

Just. Don't. Buy. It. (The only way to hurt these fuckers is with your $$$. Nothing else matters.)
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Anthony J Lombardi
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Posted: 20 April 2017 at 7:20pm | IP Logged | 18 post reply

I don't know how the character can recover from this. Murder, betrayal. lies and deceit from Captain America.  
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He can recover the same way he got into this. The Cosmic Cube Girl can reset things again.

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Mike Norris
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Posted: 20 April 2017 at 7:35pm | IP Logged | 19 post reply

He can recover the same way he got into this. The Cosmic Cube Girl can reset things again.
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Of course, but the after taste will still be there. 
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Posted: 20 April 2017 at 7:41pm | IP Logged | 20 post reply

Phillip, did you actually think any of us WERE going to buy it?
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Anthony J Lombardi
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Posted: 20 April 2017 at 7:48pm | IP Logged | 21 post reply

He can recover the same way he got into this. The Cosmic Cube Girl can reset things again.
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Of course, but the after taste will still be there. 
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This is going to end up being a disaster of the Clone Saga magnitude.


As I've gotten older I find that I get upset more when this sort of thing happens. Than I use to when I was younger. It occurred to me today that getting unreasonably upset if a waste of time. The creators involved aren't creating these stories with the intention of pissing me off. In fact it just the opposite. They are doing it in an attempt to entertain me. 
Thinking about it like that. I see that it's just plain silly for me to get upset about it. Eventually Cap will return to status quo.  

It's unfortunate that i'll have to be disappointed until that happens.  So i'm not going to get too worked up about it anymore. Hopefully next time. I'll enjoy what comes next. Until than I'll pass on what's going on.
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Posted: 21 April 2017 at 1:55am | IP Logged | 22 post reply

It's literally been ten years since the status quo Cap left us.  It was in 2007 that he was assassinated during Marvel's Civil War, then Bucky/Winter Soldier was "Cap" for three years, then Steve got "time-resurrected" (I still don't understand that story), but Cap still didn't "feel" right and Brubaker (who had been running out of steam anyhow) left and Cap got sent to another dimension for a year (or ten years, from his point of view) in a sci fi story that could have been anybody but Cap, then the Super-Soldier serum was deactivated and he got old and frail for another few years, and Sam/Falcon took over as somebody called Cap (though "American Eagle" or something would have made more sense)--and now he's been Hydra for a year and a half.

When exactly will the status quo Cap return?  They could keep this kind of stuff going for another ten years--that's literally a generation.


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 Eventually Cap will return to status quo.

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Indeed, the real Steve Rogers will be back. Right before he gets sex reassignment surgery. 
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It sounds as if this has been stolen- er, homaged from recent storylines in "DC's Legends of Tomorrow" and "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.*" Once again, the House of Idea strikes - "How far from reality can we take our storylines?"

This desperation smacks of a push to get more buyer dollars... which means that the "mainline" buyers are going to be pushed aside again.

*Stands for Supreme Headquarters International Espionage Law-enforcement Division.
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I'd weep, but the truth is I stopped caring YEARS ago.

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