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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
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I'll be honest, the comments by Marvel's rep are so ignorant, and the article is so poorly written, I thought this has to be an April 1st joke.So, I checked back today to see if there was an "A-Ha!" Placed at the end of the article. Apparently not.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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The comments at the end by the Ms. Marvel co-creator are on point.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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Also, I get that it's a supersized issue, but $9.99 for a single issue of Amazing Spider-Man is ridiculous.
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
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Now, I find both Marvel's VP of Sales and the articles author to be insulting from different directions.
The only reason I have ever read a character, had nothing to do with the character's race or sex. They just had to be cool. If a new character comes in and REPLACES one I already like, I'm probably not gonna warm up to it.
But I resent that, as a reader, I choose what I read because said character is white and male. I sure didn't read the 80's Teen Titans book because of Robin and Kid Flash. I read it because Wolfman and Perez gave us Cyborg, Raven and Starfire.
I've always tried to read whatever Black Panther book was on the stands. Not out of some civic duty to diversify my reading, but because I think he's cool. When the book is well written I keep reading. If its poorly written, I drop it.
I haven't had any issue with Marvel creating the characters they have over the last 3 or 4 years, in the interest of adding some diversity to their stable. Just don't shit on the characters that I've been reading for 30 years to bring them in. THAT'S what Marvel has been doing.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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I think the point the article is making is that the newer characters have brought in newer readers, and Marvel shouldn't shit on them to get back the older readers that they've also been shitting on. I can't disagree with that sentiment.
That's the problem with Legacy characters. You eventually end up shitting on the original, shitting on the newer version, or creating a Family and removing almost everything unique about the characters. Marvel has just been copying DC's mistakes.
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Anthony J Lombardi Byrne Robotics Member
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I'm going to partially agree with what the Marvel rep said. I think the diversity and women are partially to blame.
But let me be clear about this before people begin jumping down my throat. Having more diversity in comics is great. More female heroes is fantastic as well. The problem is the way Marvel has been going about it. Replacing preexisting male characters with women isn't the right way of doing it. Neither is having Miles Morales running around in one comic as Spider-Man and Peter Parker in another as Spider-Man. Or Bruce Banner being gone and someone else being the Hulk. Or Sam Wilson being Captain America in one book and Steve Rogers is Captain America in another.
Now there is nothing wrong with Miles Morales but he's not Spider-Man. The character deserves his own name. Sam Wilson is the Falcon not Captain America. There is nothing wrong with the Falcon name he's a great character.
Moving onto Jane Foster as Thor. Foster had been gone from the comics for decades. It was only her showing up in the first Thor movie that brought her back into focus. IT was a terrible idea to shoehorn her into the mantle of Thor. Oh and on top of that the real Thor is still around.
There are so many better ways these characters could have been used. Many fans I know don't dislike Foster,Wilson, the New Ms Marvel. They just didn't like that the characters they liked were pushed aside.
Honestly how hard would it be to write Miles Morales with a different superhero name? Did Amadeus Cho really need to become the new Hulk? Why could Cho become something else?
The problem isn't the fact that comics are being more diverse or that there are more women. The problem is the way in which Marvel comics is going about it.
Oh and I say it so much i'm becoming a broken record. The price of comics is entirely out of hand. The content is not worth the amount that they cost.
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Mike Norris Byrne Robotics Member
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I think DC's doing better with their character that Marvel. I'm probably reading twice as many DC books than Marvel. Part of that is the characters are so far removed from there core.Tech billionaire Spider-man, Hydra leader Captain America and Iron Doom doesn't do it for me. Magneto, Mystique and Sabertooth calling themselves X-Men, sorry can't buy it. And Cyclops is a bad guy????
Another factor is Marvel tries too hard to be "hip" and young. Not unlike the middle aged guys in the 1960s trying to appeal the counter culture of the time. Stan Lee for the most part kept it to the editorial side in the Soap Box and Bullpen Bulletin. In Modern Marvel its everywhere, narration, dialogue and internal monologue
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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Make up your mind. :D
The issue isn't diversity. The issue is legacy characters, and you'd have the same issues if you were replacing white males with white males. Look at Robin. And I get what you are saying that attempts at diversity are what's driving legacy characters, but it's a bit awkward to say that it's to blame.
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Make up your mind. :D~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ :) ````````````````
The issue isn't diversity. The issue is legacy characters, and you'd have the same issues if you were replacing white males with white males. Look at Robin. And I get what you are saying that attempts at diversity are what's driving legacy characters, but it's a bit awkward to say that it's to blame. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm not certain I'm following you correctly. Hopefully I am and i'll be responding correctly to you.
I wouldn't say that diversity is exactly to blame for legacy characters. I think it's more that the creative forces behind these moves were being lazy. That and I think there maybe some legal issues going on. Shoehorning these new characters into preexisting superheroes. May muddy the waters when it comes to creators rights over the characters they created.
For the most part I'm not a big fan of legacy characters. The only one's i've been okay with were Robin, Flash, and Green Lantern.
With Robin Dick Grayson grew up and became a successful character on his own. Jason Todd had come and gone before I even knew about him. So by the time I began reading Detective comics regularly it had already been old news.
With the Green Lantern it's easy to accept new ones because they are a police force.
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Mike Norris Byrne Robotics Member
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It's a bit funny that Marvel's idea of diversity includes replacing the Black female Captain Marvel with a white woman, Which I suspect might have been for marketing reasons.
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It's a bit funny that Marvel's idea of diversity includes replacing the Black female Captain Marvel with a white woman, Which I suspect might have been for marketing reasons.
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The Black Captain Marvel was a replacement (in name only)for the white one. They put the white one back in place and kept the Black one under a new name.
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Mike Norris Byrne Robotics Member
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The Black Captain Marvel was a replacement (in name only)for the white one. They put the white one back in place and kept the Black one under a new name. ************************************************************ **** Mar-Vell came back? I thought he's about the only character who's death pretty much sticks.
But I do now recall a succession of characters after Monica using the name. All of whom were white
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