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Eric Sofer
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And thus, humor is dead. The majority of humor is offending (or offensive) to someone. It's kind of the nature of humor, and if one wants to be offended enough, it's there to be dug out.

If one wants, a sale on ham is offensive to Jews. A special on watermelons is offensive to blacks. Commercials for auto races are offensive to southerners.  Condoms are offensive to certain sects of Christianity.

If we want to be offended, we can always find a way. Or as Bloom County put it... offensensitivity.
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Here's a question. Could Blazing Saddles be made in 2017?
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Blazing Saddles?  Forget that...I was reading an article earlier this week saying that FRIENDS couldn't be made today without required changes.. 

And the article was NOT a satire.

Besides the good old racism charge, they also threw in homophobia and transphobia.  Because you know...they made jokes about Ross' ex-wife and Chandler's dad.
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Toss out WILL & GRACE too, then - although even at the time the show felt like a gay minstrel show to me.
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Will & Grace is coming back, so they must get a pass in this day and age of overly sensitive viewers.
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 QUOTE:
Forget that...I was reading an article earlier this week saying
that FRIENDS couldn't be made today without required changes..

And the article was NOT a satire.


Oh please. Anyone who believes we've become too sensitive for
FRIENDS to air has obviously never seen 2 BROKE GIRLS.


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Toss out WILL & GRACE too, then - although even at the time
the show felt like a gay minstrel show to me.


I liked WILL & GRACE, and I felt the same way.
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I was reading an article earlier this week saying that FRIENDS couldn't be made today without required changes..

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Funny line on an episode of UNBREAKABLE KIMMY SCHMIDT that I watched recently. Kimmy comments that race-swapping is okay because Aisha Tyler played a White character on FRIENDS.

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Here's a question. Could Blazing Saddles be made in 2017?

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Well, we already had the 2016 MAGNIFICENT SEVEN that was basically a deadly serious version of BLAZING SADDLES...
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2 BROKE GIRLS



I will admit to that show being an occasional guilty pleasure of mine.
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And in an unrelated yet still hypersensitive note:

After much local pressure, the city of Frederick, Maryland removed their statue of Roger Taney (5th Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Secretary of the Treasury, Secretary of War, U.S. Attorney General, and more) from in front of city hall because he drafted the Dred Scott Decision in 1857.

Was the Dred Scott Decision bad (from a "modern" point of view)? YES indeed.
Was the Dred Scott Decision a moment in American history? YES
Should we forget the Dred Scott Decision happened? NO

Maybe the removal of the statue will teach Roger a lesson never to draft any more legal decisions!
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Anyone have a link to an interview where Mel Brooks himself said BLAZING SADDLES could never be made today?

Incidentally, I've never heard of 'Kinda Funny', or any of the guys involved, but for anyone to make a big deal of what he said..WELL! I am SHOCKED and OUTRAGED...
I am offended by the size of the sticks up so many people's butts in oidern culture.
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The internet has turned a lot of people into the Joe Pesci character from GOODFELLAS.
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This is the kind of joke that if a husband said it around his wife and all their friends, they would all enjoy a good laugh. Because, you know....they get the joke.

The internet has fostered a culture where everyone feels they are obligated to be offended about something and more than that, it is now their civic duty to shout from the mountain top how offended they are. How dare the world offend them when they are clearly better than everyone else.

EDIT: I thought I should make clear too, that the internet has also fostered a culture where folks feel it is ok to make asinine comments and purposely offend people because they know there is no way they will be censored. Cowards one and all.

My take away when something like this happens is my amazement that people still haven't figured out that the internet could be an opportunity to be better people and respect all others, instead of going the opposite direction and looking for new ways to insult or offend.


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Considering the hectoring tone of the whole "day without a woman" thing, the guy had a point. He also had a pretty spineless bunch of colleagues.
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This is the kind of joke that if a husband said it around his wife
and all their friends, they would all enjoy a good laugh. Because, you
know....they get the joke.


Which goes to the point that context matters. Who in this thread
actually participates in gamer culture and is aware of how toxic it can
be? When 12 year boys feel it's appropriate to threaten rape to a
female voice they hear in a voice chat (not hyperbole, by the way, and
maybe an example of some of the *tamer* behavior that goes on), do
you think gamer podcasters should add to the casual misogyny, even
what amounts to a relatively harmless joke?


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The internet has fostered a culture where everyone feels they
are obligated to be offended about something and more than that, it is
now their civic duty to shout from the mountain top how offended they
are. How dare the world offend them when they are clearly better than
everyone else.


The irony here is that I see more outrage over the idea that people took
offense to the joke than actual outrage to the joke. People saying,
"Dude, that's kinda sexist" is hardly outrage.
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I fall right in the middle here.  I get both sides.  I can see the Tweet as a joke, but I can also see it as being insensitive given the job of the person doing the Tweeting. 

As Michael has so eloquently written, comedy is all about context.  I'd open that up and say that every comment ever made is all about context.  Absent context, opinions and expressions have no meaning.  Absent context creates a void where people can, will and do fill in the context for themselves.  The context here, absent personally knowing the guy who wrote the Tweet, is that he works for a site that reviews video games.  Again, as others have said, that world is a nasty one.  I've been a gamer since the dawn of the industry.  Since I first owned Pong (yes, I'm that old).  I may have lapsed for a year or two because of college, but I've never been far away from one of my favorite hobbies.  Given that background, I know how nasty that world can be especially since the rise of the internet.  I don't play on-line so I rarely interact with those that do, but take two seconds to Google that world and you'll read about horrific stories of misogyny, bullying, racism and hatred perpetuated (as in any group) by a small number of people who have the loudest voices.   

That's the context. If you need more, here's a great overview of Gamergate: Link

And this guy is a co-founder of a site that plays in that field.  

So there's one side.

The other side is that we now live in a society where comedians refuse to make appearances at colleges across the country.  When I was in college eons ago, their appearances were a constant.  But because of the PC age we live in, as well as what I consider the ridiculous "safe space" culture of colleges and universities (this article from THE ATLANTIC highlights the issue quite well with regard to "speech codes" and "microagressions"), they simply don't want to make appearances regardless of the money they'd get because of the certain blow-back by people who are offended by their jokes for one reason or another.  I could get into a discussion devoted entirely to the absurd idea of "microagressions" and "trigger words" as they are used and abused in modern parlance, but this isn't the thread.  Suffice it to say, people are easily offended now more than ever and have many more outlets to express their offense than they've ever had before.  Take one comedian's joke out of context (there's that word again) and it's cause for offense.  Don't believe me? Read what Chris Rock had to say three years ago on the subject: Link 

George Carlin made his hay in the early days playing the college circuit and yet if he were a young comedian just starting out today, he may very well have been shouted down by the very people who lifted him up 50 years ago. That's sad.  That's the cause/effect of the culture we live in: a society where a joke has to be analyzed by staff psychologists, examined by lawyers, and ultimately filtered through a focus group to ensure that it doesn't offend anyone in any culture for any reason.  

Like I said, I see both sides of the equation.  So I'm not riled up for or against either.  If the guy who Tweeted kept his job I wouldn't be any more aggrieved than is the fact that he left it.  
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Who in this thread actually participates in gamer culture and is aware of how toxic it can be?

I've never come across any extreme behavior in my gaming but I've seen some of the YouTube videos of it's existence.

 I have always wondered if the internet breeds the extreme behavior or that behavior has always existed in said individuals and the internet simply let out the beast. I fear for humanity that it might be the latter.


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I read recently that a lot of Sesame St sketches couldn't be done today. Among the examples, there was one in which Kermit yelled at the cookie monster and made him cry to show the meaning of mad and angry.
Another example was a singer singing a love song with a muppet of a little girl with her head on his shoulder.
The first example clearly has a comical tone,  and the second one is just an innocent tender scene.
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I've said it before, I'll say it again: Matt Reed for President
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To add to the insanity, a politician running for the Canadian NDP (left-wing socialist) party recently deleted a tweet due to complaints from Black Lives Matter. Her crime? Cultural appropriation due to her using a song lyric by Beyonce. 


<sarcasm on>Yeah, i'll be voting for her. <sarcasm off>
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It was Black Lives Matter who complained about it. They remind me of those 'Truth' anti-tobacco TV ads. They have a valid point, but they're such hard-core assholes in how they make that point, that they validate the position of anyone who opposes them.
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I've said it before, I'll say it again: Matt Reed for President

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But he was born in Minnesota. That's not part of the United States, is it?

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Most jokes have a `victim`,how sad that we are becoming
a world of humourless crybabies.I am of Scottish/Irish
descent and appreciate a joke based on Scottish
frugality or Irish stupidity!
I have read of Universities banning fancy dress
Sombrero`s as offensive to Mexicans and `Cultural
appropriation`
I think George Orwell`s 1984 ought to be required
reading for all people upon entering university as all
this Newspeak they spout does my head in!
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Most jokes have a `victim`,how sad that we are becoming a world of humourless crybabies.I am of Scottish/Irish descent and appreciate a joke based on Scottish frugality or Irish stupidity!

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Two Irishmen walk out of a bar.

It could happen!

While we're on the subject of the Irish, time to police the St. Paddy's Day parades a lot more closely. Anyone who is not actually of Irish descent should be banned from marching. Cultural appropriation!

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" They remind me of those 'Truth' anti-tobacco TV ads. They have a valid point, but they're such hard-core assholes in how they make that point, that they validate the position of anyone who opposes them."

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Ha. I've said before that those 'Truth' ads made me want to light up a cigarette out of spite, and I've never put one to my lips in my entire life.
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