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Neil Lindholm
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I don't recall them making fun of her origin story at all. They simply treated it as fact. The only thing I wished was in there was the contest, which they omitted. Not a huge deal. 
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I felt far more comfortable with the change to the first world war than I thought I was going to be, it gave the movie a kind of Elseworlds vibe. In fact, when Trevor brought Diana back to London with him I found myself wondering if it wouldn't have been better to make the character British. Sacrilege?

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PS I mean Steve, not Diana.
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Wow, a DCEU movie that is actually good, with no qualifications.

My only criticism is that they used way too much slo-mo in the action
scenes. Oh, and the electric guitar riff for Diana's theme was too
anachronistic for battle scenes set in WWI.

I'll admit to being one of the people who thought Gal Gadot was wrong
for Wonder Woman when the first photos came out for BvS. I didn't get
what people were seeing at all UNTIL I saw a shot of her smiling in the
Wonder Woman costume. And that is the person I saw throughout this
movie.


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"And they also wisely understood which parts of her origin to
poke fun at. Which things sounded silly enough to make a joke out of
it."


I don't they made fun of her origin at all. There was a joke about Steve
Trevor's skepticism at Diana being formed from clay, but the humor was
directed at Steve not knowing what to make of that. Everything
involving the Greek gods was played straight.
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Posted: 02 June 2017 at 7:17am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

It's a good movie, and I'm glad I watched it in the theater. Though David Thewlis is too much of a stretch as Ares for me. I would have preferred someone like Timothy Dalton instead. 

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Really looking forward to this!



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I thought Thewlis was an interesting choice but the movie didn't really do much with it before he started throwing things. 

The rapturous reviews, especially from my friends with daughters, strike me a bit overcompensatory, but not as undeserved as they were with Ghostbusters last year. WW compares well to the Marvel Phase 1 films, which is about as good as I need superhero movies to be, and it's better than Warner has managed on a superhero film in the almost decade since Dark Knight.

I thought the setting change to WWI was handled pretty lazily; the gas chambers, human experiments and genocide just made the Germans Nazis with the swastikas taken off. 

 
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I thought the setting change to WWI was handled pretty lazily; the gas
chambers, human experiments and genocide just made the Germans Nazis
with the swastikas taken off.

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What do you mean? Germany was the leader in the development and use of
chemical weapons during WWI. Doctor Poison was essentially Fritz Haber on
steroids. Germany did shitty things in both world wars.
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Michael, you're factually correct. 

But I thought focusing on 1917-cira German proto-Nazi-hood* diminished the effect of changing the setting, which now that I think of it, may have been the point.  

I did think having Ares on the side of the Allies was a solid nod to the moral ambiguity surrounding the conflict. 

*With future Nazi General Erich Ludendorff no less, although I guess he's not a future Nazi in the DC movie-verse anymore.
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Saw it last night. Loved it.

Not only the DC film we've been waiting for, but the one we needed.

Can't wait to see it again!
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I was impressed by the young Diana casting. The toddler looked like she stepped out of Sensation Comics #1, and the teenager looked like a clone of Gal Godot. 
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Posted: 02 June 2017 at 8:15pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Not only the DC film we've been waiting for, but the one we needed.

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I think the creators of Man of Steel and Batman v Superman approached these movies with the attitude of "how can we get audiences to take men in tights seriously". Which would have been stupid; by that point Marvel had already succeeded in convincing moviegoers that superheroes are cool. With Wonder Woman, they are trying to make us fall in love with the hero, and I think they will succeed. 


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Posted: 02 June 2017 at 8:46pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

I liked that even though it was an origin story, they didn't devote a lot of
time to justifying and explaining her powers, or even her learning how
to use them. It was just, "Oh hey, I can do this," and moved on,
accepting that the audience already knew what Wonder Woman was
about.
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I thought this was a near-great film that only stumbled during its third act.  Up to that point, I was thinking this would be my favorite superhero film; alas, the last act was a bit of a slog.  Still the best DC movie of recent vintage -- although that's an awfully low standard -- and I would rank it just below the best of the MCU films.

When the movie works, which it does for most of its running time, it's because it is the antithesis of MOS, BvS and SS.  That finale, unfortunately, was another dark, murky CGI-slugfest with borderline cheesy FX; at times it felt nearly interchangeable with the endings of BvS and SS.  To its credit, though, there were some effective human elements interspersed that elevated these sequences a bit.

I didn't like anything involving Ares, from this actor on.  He seemed like the most threatening thing he'd do is serve you tepid tea.  Not even CGI armor could make him intimidating.  General Ludendorff and Doctor Poison, on the other hand, were terrific villains and I wish the film had stuck with them to the end. 

The earlier two major action set pieces -- on Themyscira and the first battles scenes in Belgium -- were glorious.  I nearly wept during Wonder Woman's first moments of action.  The humor was gentle and well placed.  I think this is the first time in the character's history that Steve Trevor really worked.

I will be seeing the movie again, most likely tomorrow.  I suspect that will not be the last time I see this in the theater.
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For all of us who keep referring to the Wonder Woman theme as being a guitar riff.
It's a chello. Yeah, who'd a thought?
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Random thoughts:

I found it Very Good and I'd agree "near great." So good, that any of my quibbles aren't worth the energy to quibble about.

The third act always seems to be the hard part in movies, and this one was better than perfunctory, but was probably the part that kept it from being "great" to me.

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I did suss out the identity of Ares long before they did the reveal.  Assuming she wasn't going to be right, just on the principal that it wasn't likely to be that simple, it only left one likely suspect.  :)


Massive Kudos to Gal Gadot for permanently burning herself into my mind as Wonder Woman. When actors do a really good job bringing a character to life, some part in the back of my mind likes to believe they really exist, and she certainly did that.

One nice theme running through the film, was that her courage was contagious. That whole sequence of her going "over the top" sent shivers down my spine.

On the first pass (yes, there will be more) I choked up like three times (including above noted scene). I shall have to pack a hanky on subsequent viewings.

I am massively relieved this turned out good.
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For all of us who keep referring to the Wonder Woman theme as being
a guitar riff.
It's a chello. Yeah, who'd a thought?

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It's still an electric cello!
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Well, my 10-year-old niece went to see it yesterday and she didn't like it. Here were her three reasons. 

1.World War 1 is sad. 

2. They were not wearing the beautiful white dresses on the island. 

3. No "Wonder Woman" theme song. 

(She has been watching the original series.)
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I liked the third act. Steve Trevor's sacrifice was especially meaningful for having given Wonder Woman the reason to reject the "Dark Side". But Ares went down for the count way too easily. Which is of course what happens to all villains in these time-constricted movies. 
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I loved it! Gal Gadot totally won me over. Hopefully, Warner Brothers will do what Joe said and make you love the characters in their movies going forward.

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That Wonder Woman theme is incongruous, yet I find it to be extremely memorable.  As much as I love (most) of the MCU films, not a one of them has had a musical score that lingered with me; that Wonder Woman theme has, from its first appearance in BvS.
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GOOD: I liked this by far the best of the DC Cinematic Universe (or whatever they're calling the damned thing.)
BAD: As noted elsewhere, topping "Man of Steel", "Yawn of Justice", and "Suicide Squad" isn't exactly a high bar.

GOOD: Diana's outfit was a little more bright and colorful than Superman's.
BAD: It was dark or cloudy or just dim so often that it didn't seem very much better.

GOOD: The magic lasso!
BAD: I have, and still do, object to Diana using a sword and shield. That's not her. If they're used on occasion, great. If they're used constantly - then what's the point of Diana having the gifts of the gods?
BAD: Diana didn't have the gifts of the gods. In fact, it was not only difficult to tell her abilities, but there wasn't much about their source.
GOOD: Her powers did seem to increase as the film progressed. At the very end, she seemed to be stronger than Herakles and faster than Hermes.

GOOD: Themyscira seemed to be delightfully presented.
BAD: Gotta admit that I missed the game of flashing thunder on the island.
BAD: Did Hyppolita relly think that the amazons were sitting stationary on an island in the middle of the ocean* and Ares COULDN'T find them?  She kept repeating that telling Diana of her origin would make Ares aware of them.  Would this really be a secret to the son of Zeus?
BAD: It was stated that the Amazons were there to protect humanity. In the middle of nowhere? With no contact with Man's World? And no gods to tell them when it was time to act? Not sure that one made much sense.
*BAD: Where the hell is that island? The amazons were very obviously based on Greek culture and ideals. But it had to be close enough to Germany for Steve Trevor's kite to make it there on one tankful of gas.

GOOD: Gal Gadot is lovely, and - while not Lynda Carter - was quite beautiful and easily capable of Diana.
GOOD: Chris Pine absolutely shone as Steve Trevor. I want to see a prequel movie starring him. Not overly funny, not overly naive or stupid, but a realistic representation of an above average American military man.

BAD: Unless I grossly missed it, there was no mention of Mr. Byrne in the credits. Considering some that I DID see on screen, this is an insulting omission.

There were a lot of good moments in this movie, but I was disappointed with it overall. I'm not sure what I was expecting - maybe something about the gods, maybe Diana having a father (SHEESH!), maybe no tournament, maybe so much focus on the British government ignoring a woman and Diana just taking for granted that they would automatically respect her and her mission. There was a lot I would have liked that was overlooked, but again - compared to the three previous efforts, this was a breath of fresh air.

GOOD: The title is the only mention of Wonder Woman.
BAD: Fuck you, Zack Snyder.
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Unless I grossly missed it, there was no mention of Mr. Byrne in the
credits. Considering some that I DID see on screen, this is an insulting
omission.

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I don't recall anything from JB's run in the movie. What did you feel
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I'm not aware of anything in the movie that would earn me a credit.
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Why is fuck you, Zack Snyder bad?
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