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Dave Kopperman
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I have much greater anticipation for this one than TFA - I trust Johnson.

Anyone else wonder if they had the Hoojibs in mind when they did the Porgs?
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My only question is.... which limb will Rey lose in this movie? C'mon, we all know someone always loses a body part in the second act.

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I think I liked this movie better when it was called "THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK".

Lovely visuals, though.
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Hoojibs were the first thing I thought of when I saw the Porgs.

Having seen the trailer, I'm pretty sure I'm going to wait to see this until it hits Blu-Ray. I've had misgivings about the movie(s) since I saw the interview Mark Hamill gave, revealing that he had told the director that "I disagree with the direction you're taking this movie, and my character, on a fundamental level".

Consider for a moment - the original films, as well as the dreaded prequels, were the story of the Skywalker clan. What if TFA had told the story of a guy named "Ray", who appeared from out of nowhere, impressing everyone with his awesome abilities, who was endlessly, instantly capable, including expertly piloting a ship he'd never flown before, and then telling the owner of the craft, who had piloted the ship for decades, how to repair it. 

Ray is also an instantly powerful Force adept, resisting mind control attempts from a practiced Force-wielder, even besting him in a lightsaber battle despite never having used the weapon before, and all this without any training - quite a feat, as even the "Chosen One" Anakin Skywalker required training in order to successfully manipulate the Force.

If all of this had been the case, fans, critics, and movie-going audiences would have rightly complained that it was disconnected from what we had seen before in previous films, and nonsensical.

Now flip all this, turn "Ray" into Rey, and you have THE FORCE AWAKENS.

Having seen TFA, and now this trailer, it appears that "Ray" is going to continue to demonstrate his awesome awesomeness, while the characters from the OT stand around looking amazed. For now, I'm going to sit this one out.

My love for Star Wars is as strong as ever, but to use the series to push forward an agenda at the expense of the characters from the original films seems cheap and distasteful.
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I've never missed a movie starring the Porgs in my life, and I'm not going to start now!!!
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Spot on, David.
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Ray is also an instantly powerful Force adept, resisting mind control attempts from a practiced Force-wielder, even besting him in a lightsaber battle despite never having used the weapon before, and all this without any training...

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Okay, to be fair.... Kylo Ren was NOT properly trained, he's a real 'hothead' AND injured already when he fought Rey in the last act. Rey was established as having some good fighting skills and resourceful (aside from the obvious mystery of her force powers.).

I see most of the value in the complaints I've read here but I feel we probably need to see these last two episodes - which might just make sense, answer questions and complete the whole story.

-C!


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 Charles Valderrama wrote:
...C'mon, we all know someone always loses a body part in the second act...


Not only that, in STAR WARS, someone loses a body part in nearly every film:


STAR WARS "A New Hope": Snaggletooth (I think it was him) loses his arm in the catina when Obi Wan attacks him with the light saber.

SW:TESB: Luke loses his hand fighting Darth Vader.

SW:ROTJ: Darth Vader loses his hand fighting Luke.

SW:TPM: Darth Maul loses half his body!

SW: AOTC: Dooku using his lightsaber removes Anakins arm, and Jango Fett loses his head fighting Mace Windu.

SW: ROTS: Mace Windu loses a hand due to Anakin's lightsaber. Anakin loses a few limbs fighting Obi Wan.


Every Lucas SW (*live action) film has someone dismembered.



*I don't recall about the animated feature, so I added the qualifier.





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 Greg Kirkman wrote:
...I think I liked this movie better when it was called "THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK"....


I have been hoping that this film will truly deviate from copying the original series, but the trailer seems to bear out more rehashing. It was already a given, more or less, that Luke was to be the "Yoda" to Rey in this film, but I see there are also Imperial Walkers. Cool as they are (they are among my favorite Star Wars things), I fear they are a sign that we are in for another thinly-veiled remake.
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Much of what we’ve heard from Lucasfilm or seen in the trailers has shown that there'll be a lot of surprises... so the last thing I'm expecting is a "thinly-veiled remake", Matt.

Somehow, I don't expect Luke to be "Yoda" to Rey.... it's clear he's quite 'broken' by the events that led to Kylo Ren embracing the Dark Side.  My takeaway from this trailer is that the relationship between Kylo and Rey’s respective mentors is troubling to both of them, and coupled with Luke’s words that "the Jedi must end" made me think that both are figuring out a different path that’s not Jedi or Sith as we’ve seen in the Original/ Prequel trilogies.

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SW:TPM: Darth Maul loses half his body!
++++++++++
Does it count as losing part of your body if you're killed?
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but to use the series to push forward an agenda at the expense of the
characters from the original films seems cheap and distasteful.
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Since every single character in Star Wars has been straight(as far as I recall)
does that mean there has been a straight "agenda"? That word agenda
implies more of a conspiracy then I think/hope you mean.
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Posted: 11 October 2017 at 9:16pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

Snaggletooth (I think it was him) loses his arm in the catina when Obi Wan attacks him with the light saber.
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Walrus Man!
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SW:TPM: Darth Maul loses half his body!
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Does it count as losing part of your body if you're killed?
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He got better, at least outside the movies.
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Not only did Darth Maul get better, but, yeah... it counts as losing a body part ESPECIALLY if one dies. Did he not lose it if he died?? Jango also died, but he still lost his head.
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Greg, I watched the clip on YouTube and I honestly couldn't tell if it was Walrusman or Snaggletooth (I assume that is who they were) who lost the arm.
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...and Dooku lost his head,

Oh yeah the Wampa lost an arm by Luke's sabre.
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If we are allowing Darth Maul, Obi Wan lost his entire body (wink).
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Greg, I watched the clip on YouTube and I honestly couldn't tell if it was Walrusman or Snaggletooth (I assume that is who they were) who lost the arm.
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The shot of the arm is an insert, featuring a furry hand, rather than the fin-hand of Walrus Man (or "Ponda Baba", as he's known in the Expanded Universe). But, that's definitely his orange jacket sleeve and his weapon on the floor.

And the other guy (the one who boasts to Luke) isn't Snaggletooth!
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James, I count Darth because "part" of a body means "not whole." Obi Wan didn't get sliced in half, after all. So, yeah, Darth Maul counts: He losteoporosis part/half of his body.
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Greg, that is why I wrote "I think it is him" (Snaggletooth). Who is that character?  I'm sure he had to have had a toy based on him at some point.  Every bit character has by now.
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And the other guy (the one who boasts to Luke) isn't Snaggletooth!

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Doctor Cornelius Evazan!

The only reason I know all the proper names for all the characters is from playing the Star Wars Digital Trading Card game. Now I can't help but identify the minor characters. 

But the card for my action figure said Walrus Man, not Ponda Baba, dammit!
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Yeah, I know their EU names. I'm just respecting the goofy purity of the old Kenner names!

It never ceases to amaze me how every single nook, cranny, and background character in the films has been fleshed out in the EU, often in ways contrary (or in a more convoluted fashion) to what we see onscreen.
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Walrus Man forever!

"Ponda Baba," never!!!



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I'd imagine Mr. Baba's attorney would file suit on his behalf, since his action figure was labeled with what could be considered a racial epithet. 

Also, his medical insurance probably didn't cover lightsaber injuries.
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