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John Byrne
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Posted: 06 March 2017 at 5:59pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Longer lifespans?

(Was that a trick question?)

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Conrad Teves
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Most of the exact time line is known (including stuff I mentioned above):

Obi-Wan Kenobi was born in 57 BBY
The Clone Wars began 22 BBY
Kenobi and Satine's "Voyage of Temptation" episode was in 21 BBY
Sabine Wren was born in 21 BBY
Duchess Satine Kryze (killed by Maul) died in 19 BBY
The Clone Wars ended in 19 BBY
Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa were born in 19 BBY
Battle of Yavin in 0 BBY (also death of Bail Organa)
Kylo Ren was born in 5 ABY
Rey was born 15 ABY (abandoned on Jakku ~5 years later?)
Kylo Ren's revolt sometime after 28 BBY
TFA occured in 34 ABY

Bail Organa's birth year is not known.  Though Jimmy Smits was 50 during ROTS, for what that's worth.
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Just finished the last book in the new canon Aftermath Trilogy, Empire's End. It explains a few things about The Force Awakens, but I don't know that they improve the story or just make it needlessly more complicated.  I'll try to sum up (Spoilers ahead if you plan on reading the book).

Palpatine had life quest to chart the unknown reaches in order to find the "origin of the Sith"  He put observatories all over the Outer Rim.  One of these installations is under the ground on Jakku, however, he built it around an existing laboratory of ancient origin that contains computers that have been working for centuries to...map the unknown reaches of space.  His acolyte (Gallius Rax who if you haven't read these books would take far too long to explain) speculates that the technology dates to The Old Republic or the Ancient Sith Empire.  It also mentions that Palpatine doted on Thrawn because he knew some routes through the uncharted reaches.

Palpatine had started receiving a signal from deep in the unknown reaches that only he could hear. (People speculate this signal was from Snoke).

At the same time, a cult called the Acolytes of Beyond, are collecting Sith artifacts and are being corrupted by them.  They also receive visions about ancient Sith.  (People speculate they become the Knights of Ren).  They started out as weirdos spraypainting "Vader Lives" on walls, but they are guided by one of the Emperor's "Imperial Dignitaries" who is a non-force Sensitive believer in the dark side. 

Palpatine had a contingency plan in place should he fall.  He uses a space-chess metaphor to explain that none of the pieces deserve to exist if they failed to protect the King.  Therefore his contingency plan involves manipulating the remaining Imperial forces to gather at Jakku and luring the New Republic into attacking them and destroying them. Meanwhile his chosen few are given coordinates in the unknown reaches to meet up with a Super Star Destroyer he stashed out there and start the new Imperial order.  (Including Brendol Hux, a guy who believes children should be kidnapped and trained to be fanatical killers.  He is the father of Hux from TFA). 

After the New Republic wins the battle of Jakku, Mas Amedda (the blue horned guy chancellor sidekick guy from the prequels) is finally broken out of where he's been arrested (By Gallius Rax) and he surrenders the Imperial government to the New Republic. The same day Leia gives birth to bouncing baby Ben.

Starkiller Base was already out there, and wasn't built by the First Order.  Snoke seems to have led them to it. 

One final thing that was a little dumb:  There are some church of the force guys (similar to Donnie Yen's character in Rogue One) who are returning Kyber Crystals to the caves where they belong.  One of them reads from the Journal of the Whills, and it has a poem that actually has the line "The Force binds us all, from a certain point of view."  It's a cheesy way to retcon what was basically already a retcon.

Anyway, there are some YouTube videos you can watch if you want to get more tie-ins without reading the books. (the Star Wars Explained channel has some for each book). 
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Y'know, I understand that the old EU has its dedicated fans, but I've just never been big on all of the quantifying and fleshing-out that it brought to the STAR WARS universe. How the technology works, detailed chronologies, giving every background character a detailed history, etc.

All of that nuts-'n-bolts stuff seems much more STAR TREK-ish. I don"t really need to know how hyperdrives and lightsabers work, or exactly how many years passed between films, or the internal politics of the Incom starfighter corporation.

I think STAR WARS works best as breezy, whiz-bang fun. Getting bogged down in the details can detract from the magic of it. Not to say that the details don't have merit, of course. 
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Conrad - I'm not t;king bout the current timeline. I'm talking about the implied timeline in Star Wars. In 1977

JB - it was a trick question, sorry
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I still think that Chuck Wendig and the Lucasfilm Story Braintrust just spent three long novels explaining what could have been summed up in a competently written opening crawl.

Edit to add:  There are hints that Thrawn is on the Super Star Destroyer that Palpy stashed out in the unknown reaches.  Maybe we'll learn something in the new Thrawn novel.  There's an exceprt where Thrawn muses on threats from outside the galaxy.  I really *really* hope they don't bring in the Yuzhan Vong. 


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New trailer supposedly drops today... be on the lookout, later this afternoon or tonight.

EDIT:  Well heck, here it is right now!







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Posted: 14 April 2017 at 10:41am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

That was...underwhelming.

Points for not giving too much of the movie away.

Based on the score and tone of the trailer, it seems this will be a darker, ESTB-ish entry. I guess because, you know...they HAVE to...


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I loved it. 
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Posted: 14 April 2017 at 11:54am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Oooookay...watched it twice and I agree with Mr. Rhodes, it's a little underwhelming. Nothing really jumps out except the last line, but I'll hold my speculations for the time being.
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Posted: 14 April 2017 at 12:21pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Eh... Wasn't planning on seeing the next two Saga films, but watched the trailer out of curiosity...

Underwhelmed with it as well, even with the Celebration panel audience going bonkers over it.

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Posted: 14 April 2017 at 1:31pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply


I like it a lot.  It doesn't quite grab me the way recent teasers like IT or THOR: RAGNAROK did, but it's intriguing.

And although the imagery, for the most part, isn't radically different from what we saw in THE FORCE AWAKENS or ROGUE ONE, I do think this film looks to be the most exquisitely photographed STAR WARS film since EMPIRE, and I like the way Rian Johnson is composing his shots.

In short:  Looks good!



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