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Michael Roberts
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Finshed watching. Enjoyed it. It benefitted from a shorter length season. The Hand makes much more sense now, although its endgame is kind of anticlimactic.
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I'm loving this show and how it's building on the other stuff. 

On the sixth episode now. 
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I like the first show, much more than I liked any of the single character shows. Some scenes and sequences did pull me out of the story, but the cutting between different characters didn't allow me to dwell on the aspects pulling on my attention.

Luke was in a yellow tee-shirt and blue jeans. :)
Luke used the word hypothetical correctly. :)
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I just finished episode 3. I think it's been interesting how each characters scenes have been color filtered: Daredevil's were always tinted in red, Jessica Jones in purple, Luke Cage in yellow and Iron Fist in green.
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Might the delegate from Northeast Ohio propose that it is time to add a "SPOILERS" warning to the title of this topic, please?
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I'd rather hear some more general opinions before spoilers - in this age of dropping a whole season at once, it's unreasonable to expect we all have the time to watch this in one day.


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Am I a horrible person for cheering when


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Misty lost her arm? I was like, "YAAAAAAAS, CYBERNETIC ARM!"
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That's EXACTLY where (and why) I quit watching Daredevil, Andrew. Good to hear I'm not alone.

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You guys aren't alone John. While I liked both seasons of DD (I thought that the 2nd season was much better than the first season), I have to agree with you guys that the the show has way too much gore and blood. And I say this as someone who normally doesn't have a problem with seeing gore and blood on screen. Frankly, I think that all of the Netflix series are too damn graphic to some degree or another in regards to violence,language,and (to a much lesser degree) sex. Call me old fashion, but with the exception of the Jessica Jones and Punisher series, I think that the Marvel Netflix series should be more all ages/family friendly.
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I've watched the first three episodes and am enjoying it thus far.


As for the violence in the Marvel Netflix shows, I'm fine with it. These series are aimed at a mature audience, not kids and the content is reflective of that. They are more in line with the MAX imprint that Marvel had for a while (and spawned the Jessica Jones series "Alias"). The more graphic nature of the show better fits the story content and a more toned down version wouldn't have the same impact or flavour.
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Me too, Michael. My only question is which series?
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These series are aimed at a mature audience, not kids and the content is reflective of that.

You have a point ... and yet, I can't help but recall that I was a kid when I first discovered these characters in comics. Even as a mature viewer, though, I find myself sickened by the degree of graphic violence and gore.
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You have a point ... and yet, I can't help but recall that I was a kid when I first discovered these characters in comics.

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Just my two cents:  As an old-school fan of the original DEFENDERS comic book series of the late '70s and early '80s, I'll be skipping this.

To me, the upcoming THOR: RAGNAROK looks more like the Defenders I remember than this does!



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I haven't watched the Defenders yet (I know, right - why the delay? :) but I have to agree that while I have no problem with the violence on Netflix Marvel shows, the graphic nature of it is overdone for my tastes. Yes, I know that Daredevil hits hard, and that punching the living cement wall that is Luke Cage will have violent and damaging results. But I do not need to see actual blood, bone, and breakage.

Of course, I'm an extremely old man, and more a fan of interpreting what I see in entertainment than having it demonstrated fracture by fracture... but it ain't for me.
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Second Episode Spoiler Alert!


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Matt prevents some armed citizens from shooting some "vandals" and his use of force was more than required to do so.


So, I must agree the violence and gore is excessive.

Hey Eric, in regards to your use of "extremely", I reply with the words of Inigo Montoya. "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
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I didn't care for the Iron Fist show much or the last half of season one of Luke Cage, but the Defenders is great so far much like I though both seasons of Daredevil and Jessica Jones were. Seeing them all becoming friends in the show is great, especially Danny and Luke. And overall, this story is just way better than the ones in Iron Fist and Luke Cage's solo shows. Seems a cool culmination of all the series.

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As I have written, I have seen the first episode and started and now the second episode, but had to curtail my viewing due to other commitments. There was a scene in the first episode, which is nagging me, because it caused an affect on a character. And I have formulated a hypothesis, which I want to present here before I continue viewing the series, so Spoiler Alert!


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The telephone caller warning Jessica Jones away from taking the missing Architect case is the direct motivation for her investigating the case. The unknown caller either does not know Jessica Jones (or any other private detective) whatsoever and believes the threat will be effective in scaring her off or does know Jessica Jones and believes the threat will manipulate her into investigating. It is my belief the caller knew how the threat would motivate Jessica Jones and I think the caller was Stick.


I hope I am wrong and there is a completely different explanation.
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To me, the upcoming THOR: RAGNAROK looks more like the Defenders I remember than this does!

My goodness, you're right.

I'm having trouble getting into the show. It's losing the battle for attention with my ipad. I've watched four six episodes and it's just not registering. The Hand are the villains and people keep rolling their eyes at Danny. What else have I missed?
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Steve - it means what I think it means when I use it sarcastically... ;)

'Sides, I may be the second or third oldest guy on this board anyhow, after Mr. Byrne and maybe one or two others.

And let's face facts... Mr. B. wears it MUCH better than I do. You don't know me, so take my word for it.

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I'm older than you, but just a few months.

Our host might outlive both of us.

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Just finished the series. I think it is over all better than the Iron Fist season. There were definitely parts that I liked. The interactions between the characters were really well done. There were parts I was actually excited. The shorter show count was totally the right choice. 

They play Daredevil as a much darker hero then I remember him, but I admit I really didn't read his series all that much and when I did, it was before he became The Dark Devil.

I think what I really enjoyed the most was learning so much more about the Hand, And I liked how the writers tied in the 2 Daredevil and 1 Iron Fists series together.


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Steve C. - Long live John Byrne!
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As to my hypothesis up thread, I was wrong and I'm glad I was!

The book on top of the stack, Danny is using to support his head, during the second episode, is titled "Karate-Do: My Way of Life" written by Gichin Funakoshi. Gichin Funakoshi is the founder of Shotokan Karate.
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Finished watching the series last night and overall I enjoyed it. Here are my views as to what I liked and disliked about it:

SPOILER ALERT for those who may still be catching the show on Netflix

I enjoyed the banter between the four main characters. They all wanted to fight The Hand but their motivations were different and that came out well in the dialogue.Jessica and Matt were an interesting verbal match and I liked how Danny and Luke talked to each other and started to build some bonds of friendship as the series progressed. I did get tired of hearing Iron Fistís boilerplate speech about being the sworn enemy of the The Hand and Colleen Wing even made a bit of a joke about it towards the end of the series. If I was ever going to re-watch the series it might be for the banter alone.

I liked that the four heroes were brought together gradually, as part of their own separate threads as they tracked down The Handís operations, instead of just being immediately thrown together and forced to work side-by-side. It was also nice to see that the two heroes (Jessica and Luke) who were used to operating at street level had a hard time dealing with The Handís ancient origins and supernatural abilities. It wasnít something they had seen before and their skepticism and disbelief was right on target.

The series blended many of the more appealing supporting characters from the solo TV series into the story line. It was good to see Foggy, Karen, Misty, Colleen,Stick, Patsy, Claire, etc. in the mix. The show was a lot more interesting with them included and they helped to give the series a non-superhero perspective that it badly needed. I was sorry to see Stick come to a bloody end but he was great fun while he lasted.

Iron Fist /Danny Rand is still the weakest member of the group, both in terms of character development and dialogue. But the other three members of the team more than made up for his shortcomings. The solo Iron First series was a bit of a letdown for me because it portrayed a version of Danny Rand that I had never seen before (suffering from PTSD, guilt-ridden, unfocused, cannot summon his chi / Iron Fist, got his butt kicked far too easily, etc.) and which I thought was an insult to the calm, cool, nearly unbeatable martial arts hero that I discovered way back in the 1980ís courtesy of Kerry Gammill and Mary Jo Duffy.The Defenders dialed back a little on Dannyís PTSD and guilt but thankfully we had Matt, Luke, and Jessica to help make up for what was retained.

I am not sure whether the final episode gave us an accurate preview of what may be brewing for the next iteration of the solo DD / JJ / Luke Cage TV series, but I was intrigued enough to where I will check them out when they are ready to stream. 



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Binged it. Random thoughts:

It was ok, much better than IRON FIST. Actually they kind of "fix" that series in a way by letting us clearly know Danny Rand is supposed to be an idiot at this point.

Not on the same level as the first seasons of DAREDEVIL and JESSICA JONES. I guess the show runners of those series were the talent, not Jeph Loeb (surprising, I know).

Sigourney Weaver was great (not surprising at all).

The plot itself made no sense but the character interactions were mostly very good.

Poorly directed. Confusing and ugly fight scenes, especially in the last two episodes.

The whole Elektra thing was "meh", but I like the actress a lot.

Not sure where it all goes from here but I'll be happy to leave all this Hand business behind.


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