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Flavio Sapha
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Pertinent article on how storytelling suffers from navel-gazing! Lots of editors and showrunners should take note!

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Wow...is there any movie in that article that isn't spoiled?  Read at your own risk.
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I agree with the point of the article, that it seems with most serial fiction that everything is eventually connected to the protagonist. 
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There are a gajillion other examples of this, from the Joker having killed Bruce Wayne's parents in the Tim Burton Batman, to the first story-arc in All-Star Batman recently in which Harvey Dent and Bruce Wayne now spent a year of their childhoods together.
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Posted: 12 January 2017 at 1:22pm | IP Logged | 5  

An insightful piece, it explains how I'd been feeling about a lot of current media.
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Remember Batman and Tommy Elliot in Hush?

Another example that cames to mind is Superman Origin from Geoff Johns where Clark Kent and Lex Luthor are both from Smalville and they met when they were young.

What is the problem with antagonists meeting as adults? :P
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Interesting read. It really does hit upon a lot of pet peeves I have with the way a lot of stuff is written these days. I've always referred to it as "story inbreeding".Star Wars is the best example of it all, I'm not sure how the universe survived so long without Skywalkers doing something. The fact that you couldn't even have a common translator droid without it having been made by a Skywalker was prob the high of it.

I'd love to see a lot more unconnected things, the world is a very large place.
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Star Wars is the worst at this considering it encompasses the entire GALAXY. Then again, that leads in to another common sci-fi movie problem: director's don't grasp the enormity of the galaxy. JJ Abrams is especially terrible at this.
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Stephen Moffat has the opposite problem, hinted at in the 'Sherlock' example, but re-applied to DOCTOR WHO: shouting that EVERYTHING THAT EVER HAPPENS IS THE WORST THING THAT WILL DESTROY THE UNIVERSE IN THE HISTORY OF THINGS THAT WILL DESTROY THE UNIVERSE!...
...and then..nothing...
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 Ariel Justel wrote:
...Another example that cames to mind is Superman Origin from Geoff Johns where Clark Kent and Lex Luthor are both from Smalville and they met when they were young...


I agree, but in fairness it should be pointed out that Johns was just restoring the Silver-Age mythology where Superboy knew Lex Luthor as a teen.
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Posted: 12 January 2017 at 8:33pm | IP Logged | 11  

Very good article, and great points around narcissism and globalisation - but this is then fiction becoming bogged down in too much 'realism', which seems to have been the trend for some time.

What we badly need is more escapist, imaginative stories for these long-standing characters ; I don't want my entertainment to always have to feature the 'real' world, or some slant thereon, or a post-modern clever clever version of why heroes and villains aren't that different. I can look at the TV news for that.

Equally, I don't want overworked links that forcedly tie in all characters together ( agreed - Star Wars is a great example of this poor practice - the continuity being 'supplemented' to such an extent during the time films weren't being produced that eventually virtually everyone seemed to know everyone else. Might as well have been a small town far, far away )

Preaching to the converted I know, but when I look at comics, our host has one of the consistently best records of coming up with new plots that are fun, escapist, and respectful to the characters involved, whether old or new. I've just been re-reading Trio and Triple Helix, both of which I'd highly recommend as top examples of fresh storytelling. Generations similarly, or Batman / Captain America

I'll reserve judgement on Sherlock until Sunday's episode - Moffat being Moffat, the denouement will not be straightforward, I'm sure.


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Sums up my feelings about the latest Sherlock episodes.
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