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Marc M. Woolman
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Looks boring to me, like I've seen this
movie before. "Hero arises, takes on his
evil version". Basically the first Iron
Man movie.
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Marc -- I gather there's a lot more to this movie than just that. And the villain otherwise known as "Man-Ape" isn't the evil version of T'Challa. Neither is Ulysses Klaue. 
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A nice, pleasant read:


Always happy to see more name recognition of Jack Kirby in any notable Hollywood trade... nice to hear the heirs & Marvel are on good terms as well.



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Marc M. Woolman
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The commercials I've seen show Black
Panther fighting a guy in another Black
Panther costume.
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There is a fight at the end with two men in
Black Panther costumes. But the way the other
man gets the costume follows a logical path
in the movie. No Iron Man vibe at all.
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This local news crew appears not to have done much research.
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Paul Greer
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Not boring in the least. Probably ranks in my
top 3 favorite super hero movies. It lives up
to the hype.
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Going to see the movie in two hours, but Killmonger trying to supplant TíChalla as the Black Panther (if that is what is being shown) is straight from the comics.
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I saw it tonight and enjoyed it. The villain, Killmonger, may have wore a version of the Black Panther outfit, but in terms of the story it made sense. In fact, Killmonger is certainly one of the better movie villains. If the only reason someone would pass on seeing the film is that the villain wears a suit similar to the hero, they are missing out on a good movie.

And, no, it's not boring.

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Adam, Killmonger isn't Man-Ape. 

SPOILER
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The leader of the gorilla tribe is Man-Ape.

Edited to note: I may have read your post incorrectly. The way you phrased your statement,  I thought you were saying Killmonger was supposed to be Man-Ape. Apologies if I read that wrong.



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Marc M. Woolman
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Black Panther fighting another Black
Panther is not the only reason this movie
looks like a "been there, done that"
experience, but it contributes ti that
vibe.
Either every commerical I've seen has
hidden the main plot of the film (which
would be great) or the movie appears to be   
"discover the Black Panther and his world,
watch him fight another Black Panther."
I've already seen that movie, it's called
Iron Man.

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In terms of pacing, I think this was the best Marvel movie. Paul Greer was absolutely right upthread about every scene mattering. Even the parts involving the heart-shaped herb, which I can see other directors dragging out, are only long enough as they need to be.

Iíve been critical of Marvel relying on the hero fighting his evil twin, but in the context of this movie, it worked.
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Black Panther was AMAZING!  

Wakanda was so wonderfully realized and deeply illustrated.  It was glorious!  The Border Tribe!  The River Tribe!  The Mountain Tribe!

Wakanda was rustic, cosmopolitan, elegant and DIVERSE!

TíChalla was brave young king searching for a broader future for his nation that reshapes future everyday.

Erik Stevens was pure rage and pain and hurt and stands as THE villain you will challenge yourself over because you almost want him to win.

The cast was phenomenal.  Awesomely, richly black and talented.   

And General Okoye needs her own movie!  

Sit at home and miss this if you wanna.  Your loss.

I think this was one of the best Marvel Studios efforts to date, standing with Winter Soldier, IM1 and in many ways better than The Avengers.

Black Panther was a black jewel that shimmers in royal purple light.
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And General Okoye needs her own movie!  

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I kind of want a Shuri/Everett K. Ross buddy cop movie.
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Looks as if it's time to add SPOILERS to this topic title. If you please.
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Saw it last night. It was good but not one I would be rewatching. I found the opening confusing, the accents very hard to follow (to be fair, I am half deaf) and some pretty spotty CGI that pulled me out of the movie. The acting was excellent, especially the protagonist and antagonist and I liked the princess, who brought a lightness to a pretty heavy, humourless film. Some pretty good fight scenes but again the poor, obvious CGI was jarring. 

I was a big Black Panther fan back when I was a kid but the superhero itself seemed devoid of any personality. This movie had Black Panther as an afterthought, almost. Not saying that was a wrong choice but the film was about T'Challa, not the Black Panther. 

Does Wakanda hire actors to live as third-world people to fool the outside world or do they take turns? That part was weird.
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 QUOTE:
pretty heavy, humourless film

I wouldn't call it humorless. Beyond Shuri, there was the ribbing T'Challa over reuniting with Nakia, Okoye's absolute distaste for cloak and dagger stuff, and a lot of Ross' fish out of water moments once he's in Wakanda.


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This movie had Black Panther as an afterthought, almost. Not saying that was a wrong choice but the film was about T'Challa, not the Black Panther.

Unlike someone like Spider-Man, where Peter Parker and Spider-Man have distinct responsibilities, I don't really see a division between Black Panther the superhero and T'Challa the King. The king stuff IS Black Panther stuff.


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I might have been harsh with the humorless statement. Compared to the latest THOR film though, which I had a lot of fun watching, this one didnít have the same sense of enjoyment. Much more heavy, which again is not a bad thing, but for me, not as enjoyable. 
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The Border Tribe of Wakanda live as visibly low key with their technology.  They serve as a buffer to those who get close to Wakanda.  THEY are what people see when they see Wakanda.  Thatís why their tech was almost indistinguishable from simple tribal garb.  


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TíChalla was brave young king searching for a broader future for his nation that reshapes future everyday.

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That doesn't sound like the T'Challa I know!

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The movie is now in general release, so we will make this a spoilers thread

SPOILERS AHEAD!!

You have been warned!  And having seen the film, I can strongly recommend you go in without knowing anything.  Itís an amazing, emotional accomplishment that I encourage everyone to experience.



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I am re-reading "Panther's Rage" before we go to the movie next week.

I had forgotten how ahead of its time that story was.  Kind of a forgotten masterpiece.

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Saw this opening night with Doug and Tim.  Loved it.  There's not a false note, extraneous scene or humor at the expense of character at all.  There's no moral quandary about being a hero, no questioning his existence and the doubts he does have are well-founded in the story.  Wakanda is visually stunning.  The performances are terrific from every actor.  One particular point of appreciation from me not yet mentioned here is that the characters feel like they have a past.  There's an easy, familial underpinning to their relationships.  It feels as if they've known each other for their entire lives.  Sounds easy, but it's actually hard to do in practice on stage or screen.

Highly recommended and worth every single accolade it's getting.
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Just saw it... it's wonderful.

If I use the first IRON MAN film as a personal barometer for how close a Marvel Studios movie actually comes to being an all-around great piece of filmmaking, then BLACK PANTHER easily matches & surpasses it... there's more beauty, poetry and emotion in this than in any other superhero film I've ever seen.

Not without two notable flaws:  The climactic fight scenes are, of course, overstuffed with visual CGI nonsense, helping to stifle any real verisimilitude or suspension-of-disbelief; and the obligatory Stan Lee cameo actually pulls you right out a dramatic and suspenseful build-up to an action sequence in the middle of the film.

But really, those complaints are only minor.  Everything else was fantastic--great drama, wonderful supporting parts, and a full, rich, memorable score, to boot!  This one deserves all the hype and praise, as far as I'm concerned.  Some reviewers have even called this "Marvel's masterpiece."  Right now, I'm inclined to agree.





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