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Wallace Sellars
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...the super soldier serum was created (and presumably improved by Stark and
Erskine (who added the Vita Ray element of the treatment to make the serum’s
effect permanent ala Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes (unlike T’Challa’s purely
herb based powers which can be “striped away” (Thanks Zuri!) by consuming
an ‘antidote’ (maybe the elusive plant that Banner was seeking).

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I sure hope none of this is true, but it's just the sort of thing that would
appease a segment of fandom unhappy with the Black Panther's surging
popularity.
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I finally saw this movie a few days ago. 

I think it's brilliant. It's easily the most intellectually and politically sophisticated of the Marvel movies -- even moreso than the second and third Captain America movies, which were pretty damn good -- and as an action movie it does, as they say, kick ass.

I'll go out on a limb and say this is the best superhero movie ever. 

I normally wouldn't say this about a monarchy, but WAKANDA FOREVER!!
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As an action movie, I would put it behind CIVIL WAR and RAGNAROK. 

CIVIL WAR because there was SO much action and SO many heroes and they pulled it all off REALLY well.  I mean, Spider-Man ties up (Gi)Ant-Man's legs and Iron Man and War Machine punch him out together? C'mon!! And that was just one great gag in a battle that goes on for well over 10 minutes. And that is only one of several action sequences. 

And RAGNAROK because, well...the Hulk and Thor and everything they do in the movie. 

BLACK PANTHER is very good, though. And elements from all of these movies should make INFINITY WAR possibly...the greatest supehero movie, ever!




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As an action movie CIVIL WAR is possibly the best of the Marvel films, I'll give you that. Lots of super-people fighting super-people and it never looks like a mess, lots of memorable lines, etc. 

As a New Yorker I especially appreciated the Queens and Brooklyn shout-outs at the end of the Spider-Man/Cap fight. But I'm easy to please like that.
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Posted: 25 March 2018 at 2:22pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I expect AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR to break all kinds of records, but
for now...

BLACK PANTHER is king.
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Indeed. It's amazing. The whole damn world -- more or less -- has now heard of T'Challa and Wakanda and vibranium.

Ten years ago, even after IRON MAN came out, I would never have predicted this. 


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Before IRON MAN came out everyone thought all the marketable properties (X-Men, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Hulk) had been optioned out to other companies.

If someone had told me 20 years ago that Marvel was going to build one of the most successful movie studios in history using Iron Man, Captain America, Thor and the Guardians of the Galaxy as their center pieces I would have laughed at them.

As much as I love Doctor Strange, Ant-Man and the Black Panther I would have never imagined how successful they would be in the theaters.





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Years and years ago, way back in the 1980s', I argued with a friend that there is no truly awful comic book character (and this can apply beyond comics), it's all how they are written. No matter how wacky the concept, it just takes the right, inventive writer to make something out of the character.

Hell, in comics, Squirrel Girl alone proves my point these days.

Well, the same for the films: It's all in how the characters are handled as to their success. "Iron Man," "Guardians of The Galaxy," and even "Black Panther" could have all been huge flops instead of huge success stories had the wrong people handled the making of those films.


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I can't recall how many times in comic books I read an interview with a creator calling out a character as "third-rate," or something to that effect, and claiming nothing can be done with that character. This also extends to filmmakers and how some of them view certain properties, until the right person or team comes along and shows what can be done if a creator, you know, actually uses their imagination!

If a creator or filmmaker approaches a property as third-rate, what results even in their own handling of the character will be third-rate. If a creator approaches a property with the thought that there is something salvageable or workable about the property, chances are it can be a success.


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As much as I love Doctor Strange, Ant-Man and the Black Panther I would have never imagined how successful they would be in the theaters.

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How successful was Doctor Strange? For clarity, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but by MCU standards it felt like a flop to me. No massive impact on the civilian psyche and no clamouring for a sequel. This is just my perception though and may not be reality. 
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How successful was Doctor Strange? For clarity, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but by MCU standards it felt like a flop to me. No massive impact on the civilian psyche and no clamouring for a sequel. This is just my perception though and may not be reality. 

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It beat opening weekend estimates, had both critical and audience acclaim, and had good word of mouth that led to a smaller drop in the second weekend. In terms of solo character introductions, DOCTOR STRANGE is only behind BLACK PANTHER and IRON MAN in box office. In terms of non-sequels, it’s only behind BLACK PANTHER, IRON MAN, and GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY (and whatever you consider THE AVENGERS and SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING).

It’s far from a flop. 
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Box Office Mojo says it made $677,718,395  in the theater. No telling what it did on PPV and DVD/Blu-ray/Digital. Rotten Tomatoes is blocked at my job, for some reason, so I can't see it's critical record. But by itself it looks successful. But yes it's important to put it in context. It may not be one of Marvel's biggest films, but it's a hit.

It's like how Wonder Woman is generally touted as WB's one true success in their attempted cinematic universe, even though it made less than Batman v Superman, which preceded it.


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 Matthew Wilkie wrote:
...How successful was Doctor Strange? For clarity, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but by MCU standards it felt like a flop to me...


The remarkable thing about the Marvel Studios films is that thus far they have yet to produce a legitimate "flop." As Marvel Studios, some films (naturally) do better than others, but they have all been relatively well-received and all have made money.
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Posted: 28 March 2018 at 8:29pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

More BLACK PANTHER Numbers
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Watched the Aladdin stage show today, and Genie made a Wakanda joke. The audience totally got it. Vast difference from years ago when I was at a Marvel exhibition, and one of the guides asked a trivia question about what country Black Panther ruled over. I was the only person in the group who knew the answer. 
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Many critics mentioned in reviews that Wakanda is a character of its own, and that seems to be the case with people now.
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I read that on hotel search sites, Wakanda is one of the
most searched destinations.
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Just saw it. I really enjoyed it.

Great cast, direction and story. 

It's not what you get in the books, nothing ever exactly is, with the exception of Robert Rodriguez' take on Sin City.

The Black Panther is in my top list for comic book films.
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...It was also great seeing people of the African diaspora, as protagonist with beautiful brown and dark skin.

Thank you, Ryan Coogler.




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'Black Panther' to make history....AGAIN!

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/black_panther/black-panther-i s-set-to-become-the-first-film-to-publicly-screen-in-saudi-a rabia-in-over-35-years-a159328
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FINALLY getting a chance to see this tonight!  Life has gotten in the way of me getting out to see any new movies the past couple of months....
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Yikes! David beat me to it!

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Sorry, Wallace!
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Down goes TITANIC!
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Yikes! Wallace beat m....just kidding!
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*chortle*
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