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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7581
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Posted: 01 June 2017 at 4:25pm | IP Logged | 1
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The world's biggest idiot just found a way to make himself an even bigger idiot.Anyone want to try to predict his next Darwin Award worthy decision?
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 28 July 2004 Location: United States Posts: 30832
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Posted: 01 June 2017 at 4:31pm | IP Logged | 2
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But, the agreement is Draconian and he did it to protect the American people.
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Charles Valderrama Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4716
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Posted: 01 June 2017 at 7:09pm | IP Logged | 3
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Apparently, air and water pollution are good for our health and the economy.
Thanks for nothing, Trump.
-C!
EDIT TO ADD: Apparently, the earliest Trump could give written notice of withdrawal would be November 4, 2019. That withdrawal wouldn’t take effect until one year later, on November 4, 2020, exactly one day after the next presidential election - ensuring an election-year issue of climate change and the Paris Accords.
Edited by Charles Valderrama on 02 June 2017 at 12:03pm
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 28 July 2004 Location: United States Posts: 30832
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Posted: 02 June 2017 at 11:44am | IP Logged | 4
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Looks like Trump may use executive order to keep Comey from testifying.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/02/kellyanne-con way-trump-james-comey-testimony-239061?cmpid=sf
a) surely this can't be fucking legal b) how much more evidence does the American people need to see he's a lying asshole that had Russia in bed with him to win the election? Jesus Christ, he fired the man in charge of the investigation, now he's trying to do everything in his power to keep him from talking.
Let's say he does issue the order and Comey talks anyway, does anything happen to Comey?
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Charles Valderrama Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4716
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Posted: 02 June 2017 at 12:17pm | IP Logged | 5
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"Privilege disappears altogether when there is any reason to believe government misconduct occurred."
Legal experts are skeptical Trump could successfully invoke the privilege to muzzle Comey because he's already written a letter about their conversations, talked about them publicly and even tweeted about them!
-C!
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Fred J Chamberlain Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 30 August 2006 Location: United States Posts: 4015
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Posted: 02 June 2017 at 12:29pm | IP Logged | 6
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It would appear to the objective observer, regardless of their political beliefs, that the continual minimizing, denials and active moves to suppress or even dodge questions and investigations..... that there may be something to hide. Where there's smoke...
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Thom Price Byrne Robotics Member
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Joined: 29 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 7593
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Posted: 02 June 2017 at 12:40pm | IP Logged | 7
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I have been willing, to some extent, to give Trump and his cronies some benefit of the doubt regarding all these Russian connections. That something shifty went on seems clear, but whether it amounted to something criminal, treasonous or impeachable is less certain. Decades of Clinton "scandals" are proof the allegations and investigations do not equate to guilt. Yet the Trump administration surely is acting guilty.
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David Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 June 2017 at 1:30pm | IP Logged | 8
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QUOTE:
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Charles, where this quote from? I may not be looking hard enough but I can't find it in any of the recently linked articles or on the board.
It isn't true. As the article you linked to makes clear, "privilege" has a complicated legal history. I'm not qualified to expound upon it, but know enough to state executive privilege rarely "disappears altogether" — it can be overridden in specific circumstances; such an override wouldn't be all-encompassing — and the standard of evidence to convince a court to overrule privilege when invoked is much, much higher than "any" suspicion of misconduct. The article you linked to cites the DC Circuit Court's standard as “demonstrably critical to the responsible fulfillment of the Committee’s function.”
According to the a lawyer/lobbyist friend who explained it to me, the greatest obstacle most presidencies encounter invoking privilege is their own sense of how Nixonian it is to do so. Something tells me Trump won't be too concerned about the appearances, though.
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Charles Valderrama Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 June 2017 at 1:50pm | IP Logged | 9
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David, the quote is from another article, from CNN I believe, where the author cited the DC Circuit stating that reasoning. Also, this article bringsthe same reasoning up...
-C!
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David Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 June 2017 at 1:59pm | IP Logged | 10
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Thanks. In context it appears the author is correct (...the non-lawyer typed haughtily about an article by a Harvard Law Review editor).
Privilege within privilege...
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 June 2017 at 3:25pm | IP Logged | 11
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Charles Valderrama Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 June 2017 at 7:29am | IP Logged | 12
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Fired FBI Director James Comey is set to speak on matters concerning the Trump and Russia today, and people are popping the proverbial popcorn! (I'm guessing each side will hear only what they want to hear.)
read this on twitter...
"On trial today: THE RULE OF LAW IN AMERICA."
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