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Matt Reed
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Posted: 20 October 2017 at 12:44pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

"Kelly criticized Wilson for listening in on the conversation between Trump and the widow of Sgt. La David Johnson. Wilson was in a car with the widow and Johnson’s mother going to the airport for the arrival of Johnson’s body, and the call was placed on speakerphone.

"Kelly then continued his criticism of Wilson, mentioning the 2015 dedication of the Miramar FBI building, saying she focused in her speech that she “got the money” for the building.

"Wilson said Kelly's comment was a fabrication, that she wasn't even elected to Congress when the funding for the building was approved."



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See? Now he's even got his cabinet members creating an alternate realty in which only their false memories exist.

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White House press secretary even chastised reporters for challenging Kelly - “I think that if you want to get into a debate with the four-star Marine general, I think that’s something highly inappropriate.”


This WH is trying hard to convince the public of this alternate reality where everything they say is right and everyone who opposes them is wrong.

This is not going well for the country.

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Once again the news blows up over a story that should not be one. I believe anyone that espouses the narrative that Wilson was not making this phone call political is burying his or her head in the sand. She new what she was doing. She could not even keep her thoughts to herself, out of respect for this family, until after the young man was put to rest. That is the outrageous part of this story Those phone calls are no ones business but the families.   
I will, do the one thing I always hate, and pretend I know what someones thoughts were.  It is disingenuous to believe Trump had anything but the thoughts of the family at the time. 

Yes Kelly was wrong in his comments about Wilson and the FBI building. He should apologize for that mistake. If that is the talking point people got out of his statement the US is in more trouble than I thought. 
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" I believe anyone that espouses the narrative that Wilson was not making this phone call political is burying his or her head in the sand. She new [sic] what she was doing."

Let's not forget that her comments came after Trump had chosen to attack Obama's protocol in this exact arena, so she was hardly politicising where the President had not already chosen to try and score points politically.

Her complaint that Trump failed to mention Sgt Johnson by name seems somewhat backed up by Trump's later comments that 'I had a very nice conversation with the woman, with the wife, who sounded like a lovely woman.'. I'm sure the woman, the wife, appreciated greatly the call about the guy.

I do agree that the talking point should be dialled back to what exactly was going on in Niger that led to these men losing their lives. 
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I believe anyone that espouses the narrative that Wilson was not making this phone call political is burying his or her head in the sand. She new what she was doing. She could not even keep her thoughts to herself, out of respect for this family, until after the young man was put to rest. That is the outrageous part of this story Those phone calls are no ones business but the families.   

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Since the family is backing Wilson's account of the phone call and their reaction to it, I'm not clear why you are taking offense on the part of the family.

If the family /was/ offended (according to the mother of the fallen soldier, they did feel disrespected), should Wilson have stayed silent so as not to appear "political", or should she defend her constituents?
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 Peter Martin wrote:
Let's not forget that her comments came after Trump had chosen to attack Obama's protocol in this exact arena, so she was hardly politicising where the President had not already chosen to try and score points politically.


Exactly.  As I said upthread, John Kelly has no moral authority to criticize Congresswoman Wilson for her role in politicizing this situation if he's not also willing to criticize President Trump for politicizing it in the first place.  Anything less makes him a hypocrite who's merely exploiting the situation for political purposes.   All his high-and-mighty claims about how Gold Star families should be held sacred are nothing but empty talk.
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 Michael Roberts wrote:
Since the family is backing Wilson's account of the phone call and their reaction to it, I'm not clear why you are taking offense on the part of the family.

Exactly.  People are acting like Wilson forced the family to place the call on speaker and then used what Trump said to gain political points.  That ignores Wilson's relationship with the family and the fact that they decided to put the call on speaker.  Even then, this was not an issue until Trump decided to be Trump and lie about former presidents "never or rarely" calling families of deceased military.  EVEN THEN Trump should have been presidential and not made it all about him. He should have had empathy and demurred.  Instead?  He drags Kelly and his dead son into a political discussion Kelly clearly has never wanted forcing him to make some lame, half-hearted attempt at justifying Trump's actions.   

Is too much being made of it at the expense of the focus being drawn away from the facts of the attack? Fact we haven't gotten after nearly two weeks. Perhaps.  But as one in a very LONG string of hamfisted, pathological and idiotic attacks that gains Trump very little, one has to ask why he doesn't pick his battles.  Why does every slight, no matter how small, require a nuclear option rather than reasoned response?  Oh, sorry.  That would mean he understands being presidential.  That he can rise above rather than rake the mud.  That is clearly not the president we currently have. My bad.
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Posted: 21 October 2017 at 3:15am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

No one thinks it is telling that the family would have to back up Wilson's statement on a private matter? The offence I am seeing is, at their time of extreme grief they need to comment on such a personal matter. Wilson turned this families grief into a political issue on the day the body was returned. That is so much more insensitive than Trump saying other Presidents did not call. Trump gave his usual BS to a question that was put forth to embarrass him, in my opinion. 

Honestly, no one can see the difference? Making the act of calling families political compared to making a specific families grief political. One is idiotic the other is just wrong.
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Wilson didn't make it public until Trump slammed Obama and Bush (among every other president before him) for not making calls.  She was in the car with the family.  They obviously wanted her to hear the call as they could have requested that it not be on speaker.  And then Trump tries to boost his standing by saying he did call the family and yet doesn't deny that what he said was entirely inappropriate.  Instead, he doubles down and claims that Wilson lied (which she didn't) and drags Kelly's dead son into the debate without his knowledge just to score points.  And you're blaming Wilson?

Wow.
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Posted: 21 October 2017 at 4:55am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

What Matt just said.

The orange egomaniac has to make everything about him. Why doesn't he just resign and play golf? He can never be subtle or dignified in anything.
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And then the big orange Moron-In-Chief HAS to blab about it all over hell and back again. Yeah, it's his style, so we should expect it...

But a more reasonable president might have not been offended by his own offensive actions (ONLY two weeks? Wait another week or two, and you could hype it up to boost the republican elections... moron.) Then he gets his chief of staff to lie and insult on his behalf. Honest to god, anyone working for the M-i-C has to check the self-respect, dignity, and honesty at the door to kneel at the sycophant's feet.

And the most hideous and bitter punchline of this scenario is that - as a very best case scenario - Trump might have been doing the honest and decent thing by talking to this woman, and just is too dumb to use the right words - but with the right sentiment. And you know what? NO ONE WOULD BELIEVE THAT. He has established his reputation to be such a mean, uncaring, selfish, and stupid man that a good deed would get swallowed up in the Trump Tar Pit of self-involvement and ego.

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Posted: 21 October 2017 at 12:27pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

The one about Truman surprised me:


I don't think anything can compare to 45, though. He has a 24/7 news media to fawn over him (not all outlets, of course). And a lot of misguided people who can retweet/share his garbage.
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It is Wilson making her statement on the day that the body is being picked up that i find offensive. It was the wrong time and place. That she heard the conversation is not an issue. That the family found Trumps words inappropriate is sad. To shout it out to the press is politics at its worst.
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It is Wilson making her statement on the day that the body is being picked up that i find offensive. It was the wrong time and place. That she heard the conversation is not an issue. That the family found Trumps words inappropriate is sad. To shout it out to the press is politics at its worst.

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So you are saying that if you were in that situation, you would not stand up for a family that was slighted for the sake of political correctness. 

The people being affected by Wilson speaking out is the soldier’s family. That they are backing her and not condemning her tells you how they feel about the matter. So why do you continue to take offense on their behalf?
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