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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 04 June 2018 at 3:23pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

His opposition would LOVE for him restore the dignity  because then they could freely direct the narrative  without his interference. He is using Social media to  get his word out.

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No, we’d just like someone who does a better job of lying, so that we won’t have to feel like the country has gone insane.
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He may have eroded the dignity of the Office, but you have to admit his tactics throughout his election and after (so far) have been very effective, it got him in office.


How are we defining "effective?" While getting the job is certainly an accomplishment (only 44 people ever have), it's not like the job ends there.


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His opposition would LOVE for him restore the dignity because then they could freely direct the narrative without his interference. He is using Social media to get his word out.


I think his allies are far more eager for him to stop acting like a buffoon than his opponents.


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There is no way those other Republicans could have withstood the onslaught by tuning the other cheek.


For one thing, that ignores how much of "the onslaught" is caused by Twitter rants, mouthing off at rallies and telling provable falsehoods. For another, yes he gets a lot of negative press, but how much of it is underserved?

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Is it intentional that there is no political forum?

I didn't want to make a new post for this so wanted to
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Dennis Rodman
playing a role at the Singapore Summit
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The thought of two people like Trump and Kim Jong Un having a sit down over nuclear weapons is a bit terrifying.... Trump is clinging to the notion that only he can make a deal. He will twist whatever happens to make it sound to his base like he's pulled off yet another victory.

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Given his volatility and knack for saying the wrong thing, for example he just said to Canadian PM Trudeau "didn't you guy's burn down the white house?", I'm really not sure how to see Trump as a good choice for something like this. Maybe in North Korea bizarro logic rules?
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Posted: 06 June 2018 at 4:27pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This....

You can't make this shit up.......

The more scarier thought is that folks believe this lie.


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It's scary that Dennis Rodman seems like a much more stable and thoughtful moderating presence. I would have to agree he is though.
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The outright lying is a real issue. I can understand putting a spin on things, or not keeping election promises. I could even tolerate making an election promise of which there was never any intention to go through with it (though that is highly sketchy behaviour), but as a sitting President, to be telling outright lies to try and alter voters behaviour is plain wrong.

To wit, today going in to the G7 meeting, Trump was asked about children being separated from their parents at immigration detention centres. "I hate it", he said, "but that's a Democrat bill that we're enforcing."

Now, is there a law that requires children to be separated from their parents in such a situation? This is a policy introduced by Trump's administration.


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Speaking of acting presidential, witness two responses
to the death of Anthony Bourdain:

"I enjoyed his show. He was quite a character."

VS

"Low plastic stool, cheap but delicious noodles, cold
Hanoi beer.' This is how I'll remember Tony. He taught
us about food -- but more importantly, about its
ability to bring us together. To make us a little less
afraid of the unknown. We'll miss him."

Now see if you can guess which one came from Trump and
which from Barack Obama. This may be a small matter,
but could the difference between these two men be
summed up any more clearly?
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And now we have the G7 meeting ending in rancour.

Trump says Canada is charging massive tariffs to US farmers.  When it comes to milk, this is true. And the US has no agreement with Canada to limit tariffs on milk.

Trump is charging tariffs on Canadian imports of Steel and Aluminium. This goes against that which is written into US law as part of the NAFTA agreement. 

The way in which Trump is trying to circumvent this law is by saying this is a matter of National Security.

Which is to say, the 2 million tons of Canadian Aluminum that is imported each year to meet the US' needs of 6 million tons is a security threat. 

I honestly say, every other country should play this claim out and refuse to import these threats to US security , and see how they fair. 


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Posted: 10 June 2018 at 12:11pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

What if Trump logic is still logic and Trump facts are still facts? Trump preparation is he's been preparing all his life after all. :^(

Slip slide and away...
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Everything about that conference, from 45's body language to his increasingly-inane tweets, reminded me of a toddler. He even sits like a sulky toddler.
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It's scary that Dennis Rodman seems like a much more
stable and thoughtful moderating presence. I would have
to agree he is though.

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Like there is carefully planned logic to most of this kind of 'hard work'. Trump was acting like he was doing everyone a huge favor just doing his job and attending a major meeting with massive economic implications at all.

As for there being a "special place in hell" for that big mean bully Justin Trudeau; this reminds me of the kind of absurdity we saw when Condoleeza Rice said she'd "never forgive Canada" for not joining in on the pre-emptive war in Iraq with Bush Jr. and Tony Blair! Calling names at your neighbor after  is not "strong" as some said he 'had' to do this to be able to meet with Jong-Un from a position of strength. No friends of the U.S. except fascist tyrants who have bans against them lifted or simply ignored, who love to see divide and conquer happening among the now G6, and formerly stable trade agreements created after years of work tossed to the winds of Trump's beloved chaos. Anything bad Trump had nothing to do with, it is always some evil other person's fault, and anything good is happening simply by his mere existence... sounds like the Lord boss of a new religion, same as the old one. You have to have faith, unless you worked for Carrier air-conditioners when i said I'd secure your jobs, you were too lazy and greedy (unlike hard working Donald J.) and "didn't deserve those great jobs" afterall that have now gone to Mexico.


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Trump shot himself in the foot by thinking he could go to the meetings and throw his weight around. He was pissed off because no one would kiss up to him, no one would delay meetings because he was late AND just about every world leader called him out.

There sure is a "special place in hell"...  but it won't be Justin Trudeau that winds up there.

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There was a segment on 60 Minutes tonight with someone from the Trump campaign saying they had facebook employees embedded with them to teach them every aspect of exploiting their platform. Hillary C. turned down similar approaches to 'utilize' facebook in her campaign although obviously they advertised there as well (personally I don't know, I don't use facebook either in Canada or the U.S. and never have).

So anyway, here's what I understand had a lot to do with Trump winning. They would micro target all sorts of variations of each ad they would concoct, usually from things said at rallies by either candidate. With the facebook stats they could see that someone for whom gun rights were a big issue would get a lot of the ads touching on that and not say abortion, and someone more pre-occupied with tax burden would maybe not be getting ads about illegal workers. What this had the effect of doing was making those people think Trump was really their guy as so many ads would seem as preoccupied as they themselves with whatever issue while Clinton's were a lot more widely cast and general, thus hit or miss. Also for a more left leaning facebook user they'd get the most moderate reasonable type ads, while a perhaps outright white nationalist might get the strongest more suggestive if you were inclined to read something that way type of material!

Besides that Clinton still had around three million more votes, but this is quite an advantage the Trump campaign people seized for their candidate, and combined with the unprecedented amount of fraudulent misinformation 'news' through facebook would be the sort of tie breaker really.

Some of this targeting to detailed facebook user profiles stuff is news to me anyway, that they had thousands of variations of each ad, and that some people perhaps never even saw 99% of them but just ones casting doubt somehow on Hillary's health or fitness or whatever to plain discourage the vote for her, drum up the apathy of 'they're all bad'. Knowing those staunch left/Dem people would never vote for Trump the best they might get from them was not voting at all, and if they just had an effect of 1 or 2 % being disgusted and swearing off politics and voting. Plus we do know there were ads for third part candidates aimed at those same people in case they could be nudged into voting that way away from Clinton.

Just thought I should share what I just caught up with anyway. I hope more left-leaning politicians start thinking seriously about what they can offer in the area of tax relief, as I have seen some that seem totally blind to the burdens many regular working and small business people are breaking under to find the bike lanes and the safe injection sites, like basically that stupid leader of the Ontario provincial Liberal Party who just went from many years running things to not even qualifying for official party status with less than eight seats!
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I continue to be thrown by the need to have detailed
analysis provided to us, to point out that we are
sheep..... and, despite this, people still don't wake
up.
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It's like a Jedi mind trick.

For years the North Korean government has wanted the US to stop its military exercises with South Korean. It has described these war games as provocative.

Now, Trump says he is stopping these games. "I think it is very provocative."

The mind-trick didn't end there. He also threw in that the North Koreans are "so hard working, so industrious. I think if you look at South Korea, someday, maybe in the not-too-distant-future, it will be something like that."

Very reassuring for the South Koreans!

Trump also took the time to praise Kim Jong-Un. "He is very talented," going on to say that few people could take over "a situation like he did at 26 years of age and run it". Let us remember that Kim Jong-Un had members of his own family killed as part of running 'it'.

Established US allies, in the meantime, get less pleasant words. Trudeau is told that his words are obnoxious. The South Koreans are told they haven't been contributing enough financially to US war games in their region and, as mentioned already, that Trump sees them possibly remolded in the image of North Korea's society in the not-too-distant future.


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"so hard working, so industrious"
Fearing for your life will do that.
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Rips up the Paris climate accord, tosses Nafta up in the air and wants a re-do, throws out the nuclear deal with Iran that took many months of work to make verifiable and real, and flips out about their money being unfrozen after decades, wants Russia back in the G-7/8 even though it was the U.S. that headed it being ousted... but with Kim Jong-Un he can magically know within one minute he can trust him. :^O

Jong-Un's people "love him" and he's "talented" but "tough" even "inherited a bad situation", bit not as bad as Obama left poor Trump I'm sure. Trump's called the free press, now criticizing this deal "nobody else could've made," the enemy of the people, I wonder what he'll call them now? He must be won dering where his peace prize and parade are, or does he think the hockey celebrations in Washington DC are for him?
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The contradictory statements by Rump just in the last year regarding Korea alone show he is an unfaithful negotiator. Expand your net to capture comments about other subjects and/or less recent times and you see he is unable to maintain any policy or stance on a subject. As bad as he is, for me the most depressing part of this black stain on American history are the sycophants and liars that perpetuate it all. The mechanisms in place to ensure a President does not run amuck are failing the country. The fallout from all of this will fall squarely onto the lap of a totally different President.


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There was a mini-production featured on CNN last night of clips from various Republican pundits/talking heads/manufacturers of outrage attacking Obama for the exact things they are now praising Trump for. They were supposedly 'outraged' that the foolish and depraved not-a-real-American Obama would even say he would meet with America's enemies including Jong-Un, but when Trump does that or his people are caught making deals with Russia before he's sworn in about sanctions, well, that shows what a genius and visionary their guy is.
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Welcome to the age of news organizations and politics. The same people who praise Obama for talks with Iran, degrade Trump for talks with Korea. I do not know if people see their own bias anymore when it comes to politics, they just like to point out others.
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Welcome to the age of news organizations and politics. The same people who praise Obama for talks with Iran, degrade Trump for talks with Korea.

Well, yes, because the Iran talks resulted in a 159-page comprehensive document with signatories from multiple nations that came after months of negotiations, while Trump’s last minute talks resulted in the same vague promises that North Korea has made and broken before, while throwing our long-term ally South Korea under the bus. But let’s pretend they’re the same thing. 


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I do not know if people see their own bias anymore when it comes to politics, they just like to point out others.

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I was talking about initial "talks" not what came from them, no one knows where the NK situation will end up, I thought that was obvious. Also commenting about CNN pointing out "the exact same things", but good on you for missing the point. I never implied I did not have bias, but I am open to listening and debate.

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