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Kevin Brown
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This is not the way I understand Chiafolo vs Washington, though I could be wrong.

As I understand it, Chiafolo vs Washington says that states that have laws against faithless electors (which is to say 33 states plus D.C. at the time of writing) may enforce those laws. Which is to say, if there are faithless electors in the remaining states (i.e. those without laws against faithless electors), your 100% claim is not true (once again, as I understand it).

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Here's the first paragraph from the decision from HERE:


When Americans cast ballots for presidential candidates, their votes actually go toward selecting members of the Electoral College, whom
each State appoints based on the popular returns. The States have
devised mechanisms to ensure that the electors they appoint vote for
the presidential candidate their citizens have preferred. With two partial exceptions, every State appoints a slate of electors selected by the
political party whose candidate has won the State’s popular vote. Most
States also compel electors to pledge to support the nominee of that
party. Relevant here, 15 States back up their pledge laws with some
kind of sanction. Almost all of these States immediately remove a socalled “faithless elector” from his position, substituting an alternate
whose vote the State reports instead. A few States impose a monetary
fine on any elector who flouts his pledge. 
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Posted: 29 July 2020 at 9:59pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Then what is the point of the electors then?
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 Jason Czeskleba wrote:
Who would be your pick?

I like a lot of the people being considered, but one you didn't mention is Warren.  Before she dropped out, she was my choice over Biden.  I understand her more progressive ideology may be a turnoff to the more centrist swing voters, but given the importance of the VP pick this time 'round (Biden's age and health of primary concern), I think you want someone with the knowledge and experience of being on the national stage who could potentially step into the role of President at a moment's notice.  By no means am I knocking the other potential picks, many of whom I greatly admire, but experience is certainly a factor for me given the terrible "experiment" of the last four years.  
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Posted: 30 July 2020 at 5:26am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Then what is the point of the electors then?

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Called it

Trump calls for delay to Nov 2020 election
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Then what is the point of the electors then?

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And zero chance of the election being delayed.  Period.  It's in the Constitution.  Not even Congress or the Supreme Court could do it.
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If ANYONE had the SLIGHTEST of doubts about the man before... you should be totally ashamed at this point.

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Neil L. - the point of voting is to vote directly for every other candidate and ruling that are presented - all of which are popular vote.

And it was assumed that Electoral Members would represent the votes of their delegates, rather than take the opportunity to vote the way they wanted.

As for President Murder - he will do anything possible to stay in the White House. His problem is that the Constitution is running HARD against him; he can't surpass that.
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Kevin wrote:
When Americans cast ballots for presidential candidates, their votes actually go toward selecting members of the Electoral College, whom
each State appoints based on the popular returns. The States have
devised mechanisms to ensure that the electors they appoint vote for
the presidential candidate their citizens have preferred. With two partial exceptions, every State appoints a slate of electors selected by the
political party whose candidate has won the State’s popular vote. Most
States also compel electors to pledge to support the nominee of that
party. Relevant here, 15 States back up their pledge laws with some
kind of sanction. Almost all of these States immediately remove a socalled “faithless elector” from his position, substituting an alternate
whose vote the State reports instead. A few States impose a monetary
fine on any elector who flouts his pledge. 

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Yes, this doesn't alter my thinking on what I wrote previously. This was a ruling all about States enforcing their penalties on faithless electors. A state if it has a penalty (such as removing a faithless elector because they didn't vote as they should) is confirmed as having the power to enforce those penalties.

As I said: my understanding is that 16 states currently have zero penalties for an elector that doesn't follow the vote of the people. And the way that I read it, the supreme court ruling had nothing to do with these states until they decide to have penalties.

If a state has no penalty, surely it follows a faithless elector faces no penalty when casting the vote as they see fit? Anything else would be a penalty...
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And zero chance of the election being delayed.  Period. It's in the Constitution.  Not even Congress or the Supreme Court could do it.
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Congress has moved the date of the election with an amendment before. Moving the election does not alter the hard deadline of Trump's term ending on 20 January though.
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 QUOTE:
Congress has moved the date of the election with an
amendment before.


There's no way in hell the House would ever vote to do this right now.


 QUOTE:
Moving the election does not alter the hard deadline of Trump's
term ending on 20 January though.


This is what I've been saying!
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