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Brian Miller
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Posted: 25 September 2018 at 3:23pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Take Me is one of the best of their tunes from the makeup days!!
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Agreed. And I dare say ROCK AND ROLL OVER is one of the best KISS albums, period.

The energy of their live performances is finally captured, but with some clean studio polish. Aptly titled, as it's straight ahead rock and roll all the way thru. Even Hard Luck Woman, much more a semi-acoustic proto-power ballad than the super-stringy Beth. Ostensibly written for Rod Stewart in the style of Maggie May, perfect for the growling vocals of Catman Peter Criss.

Clunkers? Maybe one, also featuring Criss vocals, BABY DRIVER.

I Want You starts off sounding like some fancy-pants, poofy carry over from DESTROYER, but then tears into this blasting beast of a song. Paul Stanley has rarely sounded better. He completes his one-two vocal punch with Take Me.

Gene Simmons does his own one-two with Calling Dr. Love and Ladies Room. Classics, both.

His best vocal on the album is clearly on Love 'Em and Leave 'Em. Another blistering song.

Mr. Speed is probably my favorite song sung by Paul Stanley. Ever.

See You in Your Dreams is just so-so, but only compared to some of the more phenomenal tracks. Gene got a re-do on his Solo album.

Makin' Love is a solid album closer. Another strong Paul vocal.

"Samey"? Maybe. But I can't get too much of this good thing,



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Sorry, Robbie, I love everything about ROCK AND ROLL OVER, and I prefer it to DESTROYER (which admittedly, does feature the single greatest KISS song ever, "Detroit Rock City").

And who just slagged "Baby Driver" as a clunker???




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My problem with "Destroyer" is that it basically succeeds despite the band. It's a great Bob Ezrin record, that KISS happens to perform on. "King of the Nighttime World" and "Do You Love Me" were songs they bought from other people; that great "Detroit Rock City" guitar solo was written by Ezrin, studio musicians play some of the solos. Really, does any of the record really feel like Ace? He's practically invisible as a contributor. It's a triumph of production, which is great, but it's not in line with what the band did before or since.

"Rock and Roll Over" may be a bit simplistic but at least it feels like the band made the record.
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Posted: 26 September 2018 at 7:31am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Okay, LOVE GUN...

Doesn't "I Stole Your Love" just want to make you pick up a guitar?!!!

There's a pretty good mix of songs on here, although I don't enjoy them all. It's a solid album, at least.

"Shock Me" is probably my favourite track on the album. Or maybe it's "Love Gun".

Still not as good as DESTROYER... ;-)
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Posted: 26 September 2018 at 10:09am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Did you get a "Love Gun" with your vinyl?
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Posted: 26 September 2018 at 10:28am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

No vinyl for this one, Bill. Just a CD!
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Posted: 26 September 2018 at 10:37am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

And who just slagged "Baby Driver" as a clunker???

My bad. Again, like See You in Your Dreams, I just meant it within the context of the rest of the album. They're both still good songs. 

I generally listen to the album all the way through. 


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The musical pendulum often seems to swing with the band. Things got a little fancy with DESTROYER, then they went back to full-throttle (and yes, more simple) rock with RNRO. LOVE GUN began a kind of softening of their sound that would peak with UNMASKED. THE ELDER was a mixed bag of hard rock and experimental stuff, not unlike DESTROYER (complete with Ezrin producing). Then CREATURES returned them to full on rock. They began to kind of lose their way in the mid-80's...trying to be a glam pop-metal band (which some will argue they always were). Then, REVENGE hit.  Back to the rock! And back with Ezrin!
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Succinctly put, Mr Rhodes!

They are a hard band to nail down. In my local branch of HMV, they used to put the KISS CDs in the "heavy metal" section!
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My problem with "Destroyer" is that it basically succeeds despite the band. It's a great Bob Ezrin record, that KISS happens to perform on. "King of the Nighttime World" and "Do You Love Me" were songs they bought from other people; that great "Detroit Rock City" guitar solo was written by Ezrin, studio musicians play some of the solos.

 

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I've long been of the belief that neither Gene nor Peter played on DETROIT ROCK CITY. Of the hundreds of live versions I've heard of this song (ok, maybe dozens, but it's a lot of dozens!) Gene has never played the bass line like it is on the album. I know players sometimes change up parts a bit for many different reasons, but this one FEELS different. It's a very subtle difference in the actual playing of the part. And Peter has never, ever played it the way it is on the record. He's always played it in a way that someone who had to learn a part that someone else played before him.The accents in the verses are totally different. And the fills across the toms are always played differently. The actual groove of the drums is completely missing from live versions with him.

I know Paul and Gene have been pretty candid about those times,  especially when Ace and Pete were fuck-ups and when one of them didn't play on something, but I've never found any evidence to help prove my theory. Just a lifetime of musicianship and an almost anal attention to detail for bands that I really like. Of which KISS was the first. There's got to be something somewhere that lists exactly who played on what tracks. And I'd love to find it.

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Could it just be that Ezrin pushed them to play a certain way to achieve a specific sound...then, free of the influence in subsequent performances, they just adapted to their own style?
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Agreed, Brian, I was going to suggest the same thing.  I recall plenty of interviews or quotes where Peter noted that Bob Ezrin was quite the ballbuster when it came to the drums on "Detroit Rock City."  

I can too easily imagine Criss hitting the road for the first time with that particular song in their arsenal and thinking to himself, "Ezrin's not here, so f__k this sh_t, I'm doin' it my way!"



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