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Steven McCauley
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Posted: 23 February 2017 at 8:49am | IP Logged | 1  

Michael, my wife and I commented that these people felt like it had been 200 years since the zombie apocalypse not 7 years, with the rituals and the pigeon English.
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Not even 7 years, in series time.

But I think a peculiar dialect could develop in an isolated place in a relatively short span of time.

Heck, I watch SLING BLADE and I'm talking like Karl for days.
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I don't trust the female leader.  Anyone who has time to get their eyebrows shaped / waxed in the post apocalypse...
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I don't trust the female leader. Anyone who has time to get their
eyebrows shaped / waxed in the post apocalypse...

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But I trust Jesus even though he's obviously hoarding every bottle of
conditioner left over in the zombie apocalypse behind everyone's
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Not even 7 years, in series time.

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When we last saw Judith, she wasn't even a toddler yet, so it's only
been a little under two years since the zombie outbreak.
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Which is crazy, right?  A friend and I were discussing the timeline just a couple of days ago.  SO MUCH has happened in the span of under two years that, at times, it feels hard to believe.  Not enough to sour me on the series, but just enough to give me pause.
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When we last saw Judith, she wasn't even a toddler yet, so it's only 
been a little under two years since the zombie outbreak. 

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But surely Carl has aged more than two years?
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Last night's episode constant threat of Negan and the torture porn of him doing something crazy - holy cow, I did not see that coming! - is starting to become too much. It wasn't like this in the early episodes. Almost feels like it is trying too hard to shock.
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Enjoyed last Sunday's Rick and Michonne-centric show, though the seeming death of Rick at the hands of the carnival walkers was too familiar not to suss as untrue given the similar way Glenn cheated death under the dumpster.  I assume it was the deer that the walkers devoured, though they didn't seem to show that too clearly.   In general the scale of the carnival and walkers there was one of the more elaborate set pieces in a while and had an agreeably creepy, haunted vibe. 

Nevertheless, the ratings have consistently declined this year and are now at a level not seen since season two.  The show still gets enviable numbers and isn't yet in danger of cancellation but the trend is worrisome (viewership peaked in season five and has seen regular and significant decreases.)  Kirkman's professed desire to get to season 12 now is less than certain.
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There were several call back moments in that episode. It was intentionally done. Since it was the producers intentions on calling back to memory previous events that had happened I'm okay with it. 
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I was wondering how Rick and Michonne would get their stash back without being intercepted by the Saviours? Or, if they can move about freely, why don't they just all leave. They could set up at the army base with dodgy roof!

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"I was wondering how Rick and Michonne would get their stash back without being intercepted by the Saviours?"

For a "grounded" take on the zombie genre, TWD has always had dodgy story consistency. Still wondering how Sohpia ended up in Herschel's barn. 
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Sophia was one of the walkers grabbed and penned up by Otis, in hopes of discovering a cure one day.

The Saviors aren't constantly guarding the communities they steal from; they make a show of force here and there and step down hard on any sign of trouble, but it doesn't look like they have spies posted. Negan probably *should* have done that..

And the story here isn't all that much more inconsistent than any long-form series. There are things that make less sense than others. (For one, gasoline degrades if not stored properly; most of the cars they find wouldn't have useful gas in them two years later, much less batteries that would turn over.)
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Another episode where they awkwardly crammed a lot into 42 rushed minutes in order to get things lined up for the anticipated bloodbath of next week's season finale.  There was something unsatisfying and unconvincing about Group Rick's confrontation and all-too-easy subjugation of Oceansiders.  Ambushing a well-armed group of suspicious xenophobes ensconced in the woods with almost no bloodshed or shots fired just seemed unrealistic.  It's also a bit annoying that in about four episodes Rick and co. have been able to round up a hundred or more working guns and rifles in a world where they are arguably one of the rarest commodities in existence. 

After seven seasons, the show remains an irking mix of jolting moments and slogging filler that tests one's patience.   Jeffrey Dean Morgan is doing his best to make Negan interesting but he still seems like not much more than an intimidator without much behind the bluster.  I did like his subtle seduction of Eugene and the latter's transformation but otherwise I'm beginning to agree with others that there's not much to Negan that we haven't seen previously with the Governor.  I hope the finale improves on the disappointing past few episodes.
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 QUOTE:
There was something unsatisfying and unconvincing about
Group Rick's confrontation and all-too-easy subjugation of
Oceansiders. Ambushing a well-armed group of suspicious
xenophobes ensconced in the woods with almost no bloodshed or
shots fired just seemed unrealistic.


All the Oceansiders had going for them was shooting people on sight
before they reached the campground. Having Tara negated that that.


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It's also a bit annoying that in about four episodes Rick and
co. have been able to round up a hundred or more working guns and
rifles in a world where they are arguably one of the rarest commodities
in existence


There are more guns in the US than there are people. They are
certainly more plentiful than cars. Even with groups like the Saviors
hoarding guns, I don't think finding caches of working guns to be that
preposterous. It makes more sense than their ability to still find gasoline
that hasn't gone bad.
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There are more guns in the US than there are people. They are
certainly more plentiful than cars. Even with groups like the Saviors
hoarding guns, I don't think finding caches of working guns to be that
preposterous. It makes more sense than their ability to still find gasoline
that hasn't gone bad.
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The precedent of seven seasons has been that guns (and canned goods) are very valuable and increasingly hard to find after so many have scavenged across most of the areas Rick and co. frequent.  It feels like the group doesn't generally get much farther than 10 or so miles from Alexandria (we keep seeing that same stretch of road episode after episode) so even Rick and co. are repeatedly covering the same ground.   Other than the caches at Alexandria and Woodbury, it seems like Rick etal haven't really stumbled across that many guns over the course of seven seasons yet they conveniently found 100 in just a few episodes at the exact moment they needed them.  The gasoline thing has always been consistently ignored by TWD so while true, it somehow doesn't bug me.
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I faded on this last season, meaning I would sometimes not watch an episode the night it aired because the story is not engaging. The finale though sealed my proverbial coffin. Some things were interesting, but the last 10-15 minutes have lost me for good on TWD. I found the story predictable, but mostly I found the finale's production value to be horribly executed. I might not have much experience with firearms, but I felt such a prolonged gun battle would have resulted in far more wounded and dead.
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I enjoyed most of the finale.  While Negan didn't detect Eugene's coffin lie or Dwight's apparent attempted defection (I assume the "I didn't know" chess piece came from Dwight?), Negan's secret double cross deal with the Scavengers suggests he might have more game than I gave him credit for.   Sasha had a worthy departure and it was nice to see the group operating as a team with hope and purpose again.

Since I've decided to accept the dead walking the earth in TWD, I'm okay with chalking up the extended gun battle not yielding more bodies to bad aim and chaos.   I just wish the show could raise the level of more of the shows in between the generally well crafted premieres and finales; there seems to be a predictable ratio of about 1 in 4 shows other than those two eps being worth my while in a given season.  This was a decent outing, though.
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For the most part I was pleased with last night's episode. I felt that thee was too much time spent on Sasha's dreams and being in the coffin. I think it would have been more effective had there been fewer scenes.  She had a good death and it was nice to see Ford one last time.

It was obvious from the opening scene what was going to happen with Sasha. I don't mind so much that we knew it was going to happen.  

I think Eugene turned a corner last night. What Sasha said to him about not giving up on him and her sacrifice for the group. Is going to make Eugene finally and sincerely step up. And I mean that 100 percent unequivocally.

When he lied to  Negan at the end I saw absolutely no fear in his eyes.

Carl was awesome he was so quick to react when Sasha came out of the coffin. His reflexes were so on point. Everyone else stood there stunned. 

The trash heap crew took me by surprise. I mean I didn't exactly trust them. Especially with the exchange between Michonne and the woman. But I wrote it off as weird behavior. That all the trash people seemed to do. 

The Tiger kills were fantastic. I laughed and told my son that he was well trained because he only attacked the Saviors.
Khary Payton had a great twitter post in response to Shiva only attacking the Saviors. He said he drew little pictures of the bad guys for Shiva.

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Khary Payton had a great twitter post in response to Shiva only attacking the Saviors. He said he drew little pictures of the bad guys for Shiva.

Should have drawn one holding a bat!

I didn't believe Negan was going to get a swing in, but I wasn't sure exactly what was going to happen to stop it. The tiger attack was awesome!

My Spidey-sense tingled a touch when the Trash People were getting just a bit too chummy, but I didn't see a full scale double-cross coming (a hasty retreat, perhaps, when it all hit the fan...which is what happened).

It was good to see Rick back to being openly defiant and threatening.

I thought the coffin thing was kinda weird, but given Negan's penchant for the dramatic, I guess it sorta made sense.

I must have forgotten what show I was watching for a minute, because I was thinking Sasha was just taking away Negan's bargaining chip by killing herself. About two minutes before he opened the box up, it dawned on me: she'll have turned!

All around, a very satisfying episode. A great send-off to Glenn and Abraham, calling back, obviously to the season opener, but also, all the way to the first episode. A solid season finale. Heck, could have been a series finale. The "family" is all back together (save Eugene, I suppose) and fighting the good fight.
 
And if the episode wasn't enough of an emotional ride, at the end they dedicated it "In loving memory of Bernie Wrightson." 


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Sasha weaponizing herself only really works out if the Alexandrians are planning an attack. Otherwise, walker Sasha is just as likely to bite one of her friends instead of a saviour and there is no strategic value in her causing a distraction if the group isn't already preparing to fight. I don't see how Sasha's suicide is helpful except that the writers needed it. It was a cool looking moment though. 
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Sasha weaponizing herself only really works out if the Alexandrians are
planning an attack. Otherwise, walker Sasha is just as likely to bite one
of her friends instead of a saviour and there is no strategic value in her
causing a distraction if the group isn't already preparing to fight.

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I don't think Sasha was planning on being a distraction—although it
worked out that way. She was hoping to take out Negan when he
opened up the coffin. And she knew that the plan was for Negan to
make a big show of taking her out of the coffin to get the Alexandrians
to fall in line.
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Great end to the season. The start of the season was great too. Everything in the middle was sort of "meh" though. 
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Sasha weaponizing herself only really works out if the Alexandrians are 
planning an attack.

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Which, presumably, Negan - and, in turn, Sasha - knew about through his contact with the Scavengers. 
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Sasha attacking Negan was just a bonus for her. She didn't want Negan using her against the group. She choose to kill herself so that he couldn't.

Edited by Anthony J Lombardi on 04 April 2017 at 11:55am
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