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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 20 October 2016 at 10:53am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Interesting that one of the cost cutting processes this year was treating
Superman and Cat Grant as just special appearances for the first two
episodes, rather than regulars. I can't say I dislike the possibilities, but
there was an intriguing dynamic between Linda and Supergirl and Cat. I
wonder if they can keep it as interesting with James (ugh!) in charge.

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Reducing Cat Grant's role to recurring wasn't really a cost-cutting
measure. Calista Flockhart didn't want to relocate to Vancouver. It was
a concern when talk of moving SUPERGIRL to the CW began, as they
were already aware that she wanted to stay LA-based. It's a bit
disappointing because I think they finally found the balance for the
character toward the end of last season and these two recent episodes,
as opposed to the over-the-top Miranda Priestly knockoff she was in the
beginning.
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Posted: 20 October 2016 at 11:26am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I don't like the "Snapper Carr" thing either. They could've named him
George Taylor. Or maybe Josh Coyle?

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Snapper Carr, in this iteration, is a poor man's Lou Grant and probably the least interesting/appealing addition to the cast of a show I've enjoyed quite a bit.

Tyler Hoechlin's Superman is about as close to the Christopher Reeve version as we've seen since Reeve himself. He does the role great credit and the writers have cracked what makes Superman so appealing.

I'll be surprised if Cat Grant does not resurface, especially if Carr craps out as a character (which he well might). Calista Flockhart has been superb--this was truly a great part for her.

Going forward, I'm expecting that Cadmus will somehow acquire Mon-El, which will show us Jeremiah Danvers (and I suspect we'll learn he has indeed gone to the dark side). Supergirl and Mon-El will have a cataclysmic fight toward the end of the season and then I imagine he'll leave Earth to find his destiny out in space.
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Posted: 20 October 2016 at 11:57am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Or they could just stop mining the texts for names to pin on characters that are completely at odds with the source.
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I'd like that a lot. If there's no interest in creating a Snapper Carr that's got something (ANYTHING!) in common with the source... why bother? Might as well name him George Taylor, formerly of the DAILY STAR.
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I've been trying to think of any instance where an actor turned down a role because s/he felt miscast.....
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Doug Centers:

"I cannot imagine this Snapper Carr as an honorary member of the JLA!"

'Like, wowsville, man, middle age is a DRAG!'
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HA!  
You read my mind.
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Posted: 20 October 2016 at 3:35pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Looking at James Olsen's Guardian promo, I couldn't help but feel I had seen it somewhere before. Both the image set up and the costume design.

James Olsen


Robocop (2014)


Storm Shadow - G.I. Joe

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Looks like they managed to throw in a little "Crisis" pose

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Tyler Hoechlin's Superman is about as close to the Christopher Reeve
version as we've seen since Reeve himself. He does the role great
credit and the writers have cracked what makes Superman so
appealing.

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I've seen a few articles claiming this, and I'd have to agree. Despite the
Nu52-inspired costume and Hoechlin not quite matching my visual
impression of Superman, his Superman just seems so much more
"right" than the TV/movie portrayals of Superman since Reeve. I've
been pondering why I feel that is, and I think that his Superman comes
across as genuinely enjoying being able to help people. His powers are
a gift. Whereas most of the recent Superman adaptations treat his
powers as an obligation and a burden.
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Snapper Carr did become a supporting character in the Supergirl part of Superman Family, and that's where the resemblance ends. Then again, the new editors at DC moved the JLA headquarters to Snapper's home town... I guess to save the money of having to draw his flying flivver.

I've said before that with every new iteration of a comic based TV show or movie, I just create a new file in my brain and file it there as "Batman - new crap" to separate it from the comic sources (which now ALSO get new folders and get identified as crap.)

So Supergirl - bear with me, it gets tricky - is associated with the Chris Reeve Superman movies. Which means...
A) There were TWO DIFFERNT PHANTOM ZONES. (God only knows what it means to Zod, Ursa, and Non.)
B) Supergirl already appeared on this Earth.
C) Supergirl's identical twin became her stepmother. (I don't have a real problem with that... there were a lot of identical twins in Mort's Super stories. :)
D) Jimmy Olsen and James Olsen are two entirely different people. (Again, Mort had all kinds of weird stuff like that. But it is fun to think of this as a take-off on "Hi, we're the Peters." That's an old reference to the Dick van Dyke Show, kids.)

Hell with it.. That's too much garbage. I'm going to just assign that Luthor remark to a similar occurrence but not representative of this being the S:tM universe.

And the "crossoverpalooza" (thanks, Stephen Amell) really does have to be the Justice League, doesn't it? Supergirl, maybe Superman, Flash, Green Arrow, the Atom, Black Canary, Firestorm, maybe Hawkman and Hawkgirl... what the hell can you call this assemblage?
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Supergirl, maybe Superman, Flash, Green Arrow, the Atom, Black Canary, Firestorm, maybe Hawkman and Hawkgirl... what the hell can you call this assemblage?

Wallpaper. A term coined by Mark Gruenwald, who hated massive assemblages of superheroes, where group shots would reduce the special qualities of the characters, and turn them into. . . wallpaper.

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Posted: 22 October 2016 at 10:43am | IP Logged | 14 post reply

Ooo... I got Byrne'd! :) :) :)

Absolutely correct, of course. After all, if you team has Superman and Green Lantern, or Thor and Captain Marvel, what are Black Canary or Swordsman doing?

Let's put that in proper context - in a big knock down drag out fight scene, a really good writer (such as our esteemed host) makes every single character useful and important. But how many such writers are there?
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"I've been trying to think of any instance where an actor turned down a role because s/he felt miscast....."
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I've now been toying with this question for three days, and even enlisted my wife's help. I have to admit we're stumped. There MUST be plenty of cases where actors refuse roles simply because they don't feel they can do the part justice, but neither of us can come up with an example of anyone ever actually admitting this publicly.

The closest I've been able to come up with is Harrison Ford. I have heard it said that he has turned down roles that he didn't feel should be played by a "movie star". Most famously, he was offered the part of Oskar Schindler, but felt that his fans wouldn't be able to see past him to really embrace the character.

Obviously, this is by no means equal to a belief that he couldn't play the part correctly, but it's the only example I can think of where an actor put the character ahead of his own interests.
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Posted: 23 October 2016 at 11:32pm | IP Logged | 16 post reply

Clint Eastwood tells of
turning down the role of
James Bond because he felt it
shouldn't become an American
character.
Along the same lines, Viggo
Mortenson turned down the
chance to reprise his Lord of
the Rings role in the Hobbit
prequels because his
character isn't in the Hobbit
book.

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Having Aragorn appear in THE HOBBIT, even in the last movie (where it *might* have been awkwardly shoehorned in), would have been a terrible idea. He is name-checked by Thranduil, though, in an exchange with Legolas (whose inclusion was entirely sensible, IMHO).

As for what you call this nascent crossover-team, if it's a rare/once per season kind of thing, does it need a name? Justice League will be reserved for the movies, Justice Society has been taken for the secret 1940s super-team...

Maybe they'll call themselves Infinity Inc.
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""I've been trying to think of any instance where an actor turned down a role because s/he felt miscast....."
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I've now been toying with this question for three days, and even enlisted my wife's help. I have to admit we're stumped. There MUST be plenty of cases where actors refuse roles simply because they don't feel they can do the part justice, but neither of us can come up with an example of anyone ever actually admitting this publicly."

Jack Nicholson has stated that he was offered and turned down the role of Michael Corleone because he felt that Italians should play Italians.
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Think I figured this out: They just grabbed the character of Renee Montoya over from the Batman properties, but then renamed her "Maggie Sawyer."

Can't say I'm liking this particular decision very much.

And besides, given the number of ex-Glee actors on the DC superhero shows, Maggie Sawyer totally should've been played by Jane Lynch!
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^ You know, DC put Maggie Sawyer and Renee Montoya in a relationship during the mid-2000s. They broke them up around 2007, when Greg Rucka and J.H. Williams III paired Maggie off with Kate Kane (Batwoman). Those two nearly tied the knot, before the higher ups at DC (Didio) put the kibosh on all marriages for characters in the New 52. With DC's recent Rebirth, Maggie is headed back to Metropolis. 
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Maggie Sawyer - another character who's completely unrecognisable in her TV incarnation. Sometimes I feel they just stick well-known names on random characters. 
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They take Renee Montoya over from Batman, and name her as Maggie Sawyer.

They take a decent Steve Lombard iteration, but name him as Snapper Carr. (And really, Lombard was already part of the Superman properties!)

And it's also like how over at Legends of Tomorrow, they took Ted Kord and named him as Ray Palmer.

I'm willing to make some allowance for composite characters in big media adaptations. But these are just one-for-one flips. And when these sorts of character swaps are done, they're a disservice to both source characters that are involved.
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Posted: 27 October 2016 at 9:20pm | IP Logged | 23 post reply

"Decent Steve Lombard iteration?" He's a 'Jackie Cooper as Perry White' ripoff.
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I've been trying to think of any instance where an actor turned down a role because s/he felt miscast.....
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For me, there is one wonderful example that comes to mind:-

Keanu Reeves has recounted how before the first X-Men movie came together, a studio boss, hearing how much of a fan Keanu was of the X-men straight out tried to convince him to play Wolverine! Now Keanu, LOVES the character and has said that for a brief moment part of him was tempted to do so to see how much fun he could have playing it. But then he thought about how he as a fan would take seeing someone like himself playing Logan, and then said No way! The fact that he had enough self-awareness to realise that it would ruin an x-men film for most fans, automatically raised my opinion of him. Wish more actors would think it through like that.

A younger Keanu though would probably have been a better fit for Gambit than the Channing Tatum who's going to be playing him. Which seems to have come about from the opposite notion. As that film casting seemed to happen specifically because the actor said he'd like to play him. Even though he looks nothing like him!
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So I guess the anecdote above suggests that Reeves was not a big
HELLBLAZER fan. :)
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