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Michael Roberts
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I expect that the solution to Savitar is to get ALL the speedsters
(meaning they call in Jay) to join forces against him.

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Plus we saw a glimpse of the Earth-19 Flash, who is called Accelerated
Man in the comics.


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Thanks Michael! I didn't know who it was... I thought maybe Spy Smasher or something, but it went by really fast...
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My guess about who Savitar is:


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I think it's Wally from a future date.  He's so ingrained into the speed force now, it's over taken who he is.
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 Michael Roberts wrote:
No slight on Candace Patton, who was very good in season one, but she's become such a drag on the tone of the show (please point me to an episode where she's happy and energetically engaged throughout).

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I always see her encouraging Barry, especially last night's episode.

Encouraging, I guess (when she's not hectoring).  But happy and energetically engaged is what I'm looking for and I can't for the life of me remember an episode where she was that way throughout, or for even more than a couple of scenes.  The problem isn't just story one - it's more a tone and performance one.
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Kevin B,. - you theory does tie into an event from Legends of Tomorrow. So you may have it.

I think it's Adrian Chase. ;)
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Not after the latest ARROW. That was kind of a shocker.
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A lame shocker, at that....
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Brian - yes, I know. I had seen Arrow before I wrote that. Thus the smiley...

Of course, Prometheus is really Roy Harper. And Savitar will end up being Johnny Quick or Max Mercury, perverted by the Speed Force.

Well, it might be, mightn't it...? :D
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I don't know how anyone else feels, but I think last night's episode was probably one of the best ones of the year.  And next week's journey back into the speed force looks to be crazy.  Maybe this season can be salvaged after all...
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Kevin - yeah, the last fifteen minutes were strong, and the speed force episode looks damn good.  But Iris was at her Iris-iest yet, and the whole engine of the plot relied on either a) people withholding important information from the team (Wally w/Savitar, Cait w/the Philosopher's Stone), and b) doubling down on the self-involvement of all the characters.  Case in point: Wally, it must be said, behaved like a huge tool throughout - like, knowing the fucking stakes and all the effort they've gone through to try to save Iris, he can't wait another two months to spill the beans about Barry's semi-suspect reasons for asking for her hand if there's even the slightest chance it will alter the future?  It would be one thing if he'd done in it some kind of honorable way, but, no, he just runs off and confronts them immediately.
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Is anyone else thinking that Savitar is Wally?
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I'm reminded of a great line from the A.V. Club from a review of a second season episode of 'Sleepy Hollow,' ruminating on how a show with such a potent and near-perfect first season could seem to self-sabotage at every turn: "The basics are still here—the monster kills, the cool special effects, the great quips, the creepy twists—but there so many other unfortunate decisions being made that it feels like we’re on a terrific ship that is somehow, despite our best efforts, deeply in love with icebergs."
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I was, Anthony. Now I think that's too obvious. 
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I was, Anthony. Now I think that's too obvious. 
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 Prior to this last episode I felt it was someone we knew already. I thought it might be H.R. Since he called Wally Wallace just like Savitar did. This most recent episode pointed the finger at Wally really hard. I figured Wally is trapped in the Speed Force for a long long time. 

I'm going to be disappointed if it is someone we know. I'm tired of that.
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"I don't know how anyone else feels, but I think last night's episode was probably one of the best ones of the year.  And next week's journey back into the speed force looks to be crazy.  Maybe this season can be salvaged after all..."
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I agree, Kevin!
As for Wally's foolhardy behaviour, I feel it is in character.
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From the clues in the conversations with Savitar, he hints at being from the future and that he had fought the Flash before becoming Savitar but that had not happened yet. That coupled with the reveal of an upcoming rogue, I think Savitar is going to be Abrakadabra.
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Is anyone else thinking that Savitar is Wally?

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Ummmmm.... yep.  Look back at an earlier comment I had posted that used inviso.
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Savitar knew a lot of personal information about Team Flash, and
perhaps that was just through his connection to Wally or Julian, but
along with the way that he said, "I am the future, Flash" as "I am the
Future Flash", I think he might possibly be Barry. Or more specifically, a
time remnant of Barry that got trapped in the Speed Force, went
insane, and resents Barry for living out the rest of his life while he got
left behind.
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 Sergio Saavedra wrote:
As for Wally's foolhardy behaviour, I feel it is in character.

If he were just being foolhardy, that would be one thing.  But he's also been shown to be petty, needy, vengeful, and as having complete disregard for the safety and desires of his friends and family.  If it turns out this is Savitar-in-Training, it could work, but I feel like they're running the risk of making him irredeemable as a heroic character, or even as a troubled hero that you're still rooting for.
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But he's also been shown to be petty, needy, vengeful, and as having
complete disregard for the safety and desires of his friends and family.

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Wally behaves like a dumb college kid, which he is.
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I'd be with you on the 'dumb college kid' angle up until he spilled the beans to Iris about the engagement.  That's more like mean preschooler.
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Eh, can't agree with you, Dave.  Sorry.  I think you're being far too harsh on Wally.  He's, what, 18? 19 maybe?  Nothing he's done with that as the lens makes him "irredeemable as a heroic character".  Far too hyperbolic from where I'm sitting.  Ditto your comments about Iris, but to each their own.

As far as this season, it started off from a rocky standpoint.  FLASHPOINT was ill-conceived from the jump.  Barry had already learned not to fuck with time because there would be obvious ramifications. I had a problem with the fact that he put that aside for his own selfish purposes.  But after a fairly bad start, I think it's come back into its own.  I've enjoyed the season starting about a quarter of the way in and think that, on balance, it's been fun.  

I'm going to the PaleyFest presentation next week of ARROW/FLASH/LEGENDS/SUPERGIRL so I'll be sure to let y'all know if they answer any burning questions!
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Flash in my favorite superhero show on network TV, followed surprising enough by the 2nd season of Legends. 

The characters seem to be pretty random in how they'll behave

Joe West is the most consistently portrayed character.  Maybe add Julian to that list. Their changes seem pretty organic to me.    Unfortunately for as good of an actor Candice Patton may be, it doesn't seem like she's much more than a love interest.  She needs more of a hook than that.

I think Wally was shoe-horned in as Kid Flash to soon, next year would have been soon enough.  Let this year be Wally and Jesse getting to know each other time.
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For the third time we have a speedster Big Bad. For the third time there's going to be a Big Reveal about his identity. Add this to the weekly motivational speeches and the "I'm not fast enough" complaints, and I feel this show is stuck in a rot.
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Couldn't you level some of those same complaints against the comics?  Couldn't you say that you're tired of the same doubts about character re: Peter Parker?  I mean, you've heard him a hundred times if you've heard him once talk about how hard it is being a superhero as well as a teenager in the Lee/Ditko/Romita comics.  And how many times can a Goblin be integral to his story?  

I dunno. Those complaints seem to forget the soap opera nature of superhero stories every bit as much as complaints about Iris do.  How many times can Batman face the Joker?  I've been around long enough that they even wrote a story wherein Batman laughed with the Joker after he shattered Barbara Gordon's spine as a way to show just how long the two had been sparring.  

Sorry, but the fact that the Big Bads have all had something to do with speed affects me far less than how those characters actually manifest regardless of their powers.  If it's compelling and makes sense within the narrative, I don't care that they're all infused with super speed.  Captain Cold isn't going to carry a 24 episode arc.  Neither is Captain Boomerang.  They're just not.  So going outside those confines is totally fine with me.
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