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Robert Shepherd
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I was reading other posts about the movies and had another broad question for all.
What stories were so epic in their impact that they literally changed or influenced the genre?
So for example for X-men: The Death of Phoenix Days of Future Past
Both are epic in their own ways and are still impacting the industry.
For the Fantastic Four: The Coming of Galactus. I'm sure a Dr. Doom story as well, but I don't know the FF that much to pick one.
I think for Spider-Man: The Death of Gwen Stacey
For Batman: The Death of Jason Todd
For Avengers: I don't know....did they have a story that changed/influence the genre? Lot's a great stories, but anything singularly epic in influence?
What say you? What other stories were so strong or so impactful that they literally changed the comic world? Could be from Marvel, DC, or Independents.
Edited by Robert Shepherd on 03 July 2016 at 4:22pm
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Robert Bradley
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For the Avengers I can think of two -
The Kree-Skrull War was the first space epic, spanning most of a year and The Avengers-Defenders crossover was the first big multiple issue crossover between two titles.
For your Doctor Doom story I would mention the story where he steals the power cosmic from the Silver Surfer in Fantastic Four #57-60.
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John Byrne
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The death of Gwen is a biggie. It's shadow is still on Spider-Man.
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Robert Bradley
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I would probably have to include The Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns simply because they changed the way comics were written.
Not for the better, IMO, but they were certainly influential.
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Doug Centers
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For the Avengers;
#4- Captain America returns!
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Robert Bradley
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JB - I think the Death of Gwen in a way broke what worked so well with Spider-Man. He started having more adult problems and he was suddenly going out with a supermodel - which was a long way from the awkward Peter Parker that we saw from Ditko and Lee.
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I think you've named most of them, Robert, and nothing comes to my mind, so I'll reiterate one of your choices:
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Absolutely. Not sure anything was the same again after that.
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Captain AmericaCap Quits (Englehart Era) Seems to have set the bar for heroes quitting. ( Especially Cap!)
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"Flash of Two Worlds"
Edited by Charles Nelson on 03 July 2016 at 9:23pm
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Mark Haslett
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It seems like "literally changing the genre" can be positive or negative and my mind can hardly count them as the same thing.
Gwen Stacy dying, Watchmen, Demon in a Bottle, the Death of Jason Todd-- these are all dots on a path toward the strangulation of Superhero comics by "continuity" and self-conscious "realism".
They seem categorically different from "the Coming of Galactus".
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Definitely not for the better, but the Mutant Massacre.
Looking back, it was the seed that grew into the vines that choked my love for Marvel.
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Robert Shepherd
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Mark,
I think certain deaths in comic were impactful because once upon a time they were rare (at least in mainstream comics) - Gwen Stacey, Jean Grey, Jason Todd....Jason Todd's was especially brutal.
I was originally hooked onto the Death of Superman, I admit. I was still young and while I couldn't understand how DC could possibly kill off their universe's main character, I was hood winked into thinking it was for real. Later I realized this is what happens when the over-clever marketing department gets involved. For me this event changed my view of comics for the worse.
I agree that the Coming of Galactus is a totally different type of event. No one had to die and it was still monumental.
Perhaps, over the next decade we'll see a swinging of the pendulum and super heroes will become super and heroic again. And death will become less of a crutch for writers to lean on. One can hope.
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