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Jason Czeskleba
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In general, the Marston stories do present a strong role model for girls. It's true that many of them are unfortunately colored by his preoccupation with bondage/submission, but those elements went right over my head when I was reading the stories as a kid, and they seemed to also go over my daughter's head when I read them to her several years ago. The consistent message in those stories is that women should never be dependent on men. Any time a woman is shown as being under a man's control it is presented as a negative thing, and the story revolves around the woman escaping that control and learning to be independent. It was really only after Marston died and Robert Kanigher took over that the character started being toned down and the message of female empowerment disappeared.
I think where writers have erred in more recent times is in focusing on Wonder Woman as a sword-wielding, macho "warrior"... ie, making her behave like a man (as JB said). Marston's Amazons were pacifists, not warriors. They were certainly capable of fighting, but they did it defensively only. The Marston-era Wonder Woman was rarely (if ever) shown using a sword.
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John Byrne
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The new Wonder Woman reboot has it being called a tiara.••• Of course it does.
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Eric Ladd
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They also call that a skirt.
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Andy Mokler
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I always thought the point of WW was that she was an ambassador of peace? She's virtually indestructible and has super strength. "IF" she has to get violent, she's going to cause a LOT of problems for bad guys with her bare hands.
The "new" WW seems to only facilitate violence.
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John Byrne
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I always thought the point of WW was that she was an ambassador of peace? ••• "...the peace of unburied death."
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Jason Czeskleba
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Brian Peck wrote:
| Alot of action but the one thing that turned me off was the violence and bloodshed. I have no issue with either just depends on the situation and character. They had Wonder Woman cutting off a head with blood going all over. |
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Marston would certainly have been disgusted by the notion of Wonder Woman slaying and decapitating someone in battle. He believed women were morally and intellectually superior to men, and the notion that women become empowered by co-opting the violent behavior of men is antithetical to his viewpoint. Turning Wonder Woman into Conan is a very unimaginative and sexist conception of female empowerment.
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 02 May 2016 at 3:47pm
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Rick Whiting
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Fast forward to 2016 and we now have crap like Earth One Wonder Woman by Grant Morison, who has decided to embrace and play up the sexual undertones and fetishes of Wonder Woman in a very overt manner. And because it's Morrison, DC allowed him to do it. Just another clear case of DC letting a "cool" critically acclaim and popular writer do whatever the hell he wants with their characters no matter how inappropriate it might be for a character that was originally created to entertain children. Here's the link to some of the pages from the book.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/12/27/massive-spoilers-for- wonder-woman-earth-one-by-grant-morrison-and-yanick-paquette -hit-the-net-as-does-a-very-negative-reaction/
Edited by Rick Whiting on 02 May 2016 at 3:51pm
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Joe Smith
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The Azzarello/Chiang WW is my favorite. Heroic, tall, strong, with eyes
that melt my paper heart.
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Wallace Sellars
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George Pérez did a great job with Wonder Woman during his run on
her book. I also enjoyed JB's Wonder Woman run.
I appreciate Darwyn Cooke's depiction of her in NEW FRONTIER as
well.
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Ted Pugliese
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I loved George & John's Wonder Woman (of course), but
Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez draws/drew the best* Wonder Woman
ever!
*Or at least my favorite :-)
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Ted Pugliese
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My favorite Wonder Woman cover
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Michael Roberts
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Just another clear case of DC letting a "cool" critically acclaim and
popular writer do whatever the hell he wants with their characters no
matter how inappropriate it might be for a character that was originally
created to entertain children.
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Not defending DC or Morrison, but if you are talking about the original
intent of the creator, eroticism and submission was part of Wonder
Woman. I think she's more interesting removed from Marston's unique
perspective on feminism and works better as a female counterpart to
Superman.
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