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Rick Whiting
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This recent article from CBR is saying that in order for comics (specifically comics from the Big 2) to survive that the comics must align themselves with and follow the movie/TV versions of these characters. Do you guys agree or disagree with this article? I disagree.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/for-comics-to-surv ive-they-must-align-with-movies-tv
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Ok i breezed over that article (it's a long long read!) and i agree with rock but before i go into the why i wanted to go over a few impressions the article left me with. The line 'as a fan you've trolled the actors instagram pages.made your fan art...' sorry,no offence but that's not a fan,that's akin to a stalker. The other thing i came away with multiple times is the guy makes an argument and then seems to sabotage it in the same sentence. He talks about the supergirl digital comic and why aren't dc putting it out more regularly in print.but then he turns into the fan and in a sense encourages people to read it digitally,giving where it's available and even what day it comes out. The big question is as rick says in the title should comics follow tv and the movies to survive,and the answer is no,because it's nonsense.A person who watches superhero movies or tv shows doesn't always translate to being a comic book fan. A friend of mine would watch flash on dvd but never did he say to me where can i get flash comic books,cause he wasn't interested. Comics will survive so long as there are good stories and that there's a demand from people to read em. (sorry for the long winded post,i lack the ability to be concise and often i know what i wanna say in my head,but writing it is different)
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At this moment in time, since I believe the movie versions of a lot of Marvel characters owe more to the ethos their creators were searching for, i would be happy for the comics to align more to them than to what is currently in the comics.

For example, is Tony Stark still adopted in the comics?
Is Steve Rogers still old?
Is Thor still a woman?
Is Cyclops still a bad guy (OK, bad example)
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Posted: 03 March 2016 at 4:48am | IP Logged | 4  

It wouldn't surprise me if at some point marvel will put in the movies that tony stark is adopted. 

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Well, Marvel and DC can mostly publish stories about their studios' movies. But then they lose the pretense of being "research and development" divisions. 

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I couldn't be bothered to read the whole thing, so I stuck to the headings...

I think it's hard to argue that it wouldn't make sense to align release schedules to coincide with TV and movie pushes.

I don't agree that the comics should be 'all about the TV and movies' though it would make sense for the two products to align to the extent that they are both recognisably about the same characters.

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Peter Martin
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That is, for example, if Steve Rogers is Captain America in the movies, he should be Captain America in the comic. The comic does not need to slavishly copy the movie costume or plot developments, but it's too jarring of a change to have a different lead character in the comic than the movie.

There's a third point, of course, which requires them to go beyond aligning schedules and getting the actual books out in front of the masses. To attract the casual reader, the books need to be sold where someone is going to stumble across it in the course of shopping for something else.
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1st - it took me a while to get to the article
2nd-others saying how long it was scared me into reading headings and the odd sentence.

now, to make $$$, i agree - line up with movies & tv
to get me as a comic book reader again: don't

or, what's wrong with going both ways?

i.e.
"Superman" - aligns to tv/movies (i won't buy - tv/movie fans will)
"Action Comics" - Superman stories by selected creative teams (i probably will buy,tv/movie fans may/may not)
etc, etc, etc for all characters/teams: 2 comics, 1 aligns, 1 doesn't

they do NOT have to be identical (superman & lois lane can be married in one, and not the other), aligning to tv/movies is basically a mish mosh of all that has been and is marketable - but you need the creative side that will be the basis off future tv/movies.



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Posted: 03 March 2016 at 8:48am | IP Logged | 9  

but you need the creative side that will be the basis off future tv/movies
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You do, but are comics going to actually provide that? Or will they instead provide a genius blueprint of stunts such as killing off characters, resurrecting dead characters, putting supporting characters in the hero's costume and reboots?
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Eric Ladd
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Posted: 03 March 2016 at 9:32am | IP Logged | 10  

I thought this was already done from time to time with one shots and mini series devoted to movie releases? Anyone remember getting the Return of the Jedi comic book a few days before the movie's release?
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TV tie-ins and spin-offs traditionally do not sell well in comparison to their more independent-minded counterparts. In part this has been because they are not "the real one," but there is also the stigma that they are baby ducklings trailing in the wake of some other, presumably better product. 

A comic such as "The Adventures of Superboy," based upon the Salkinds produced syndicated TV series is hampered by the constant fact that it is not the TV series itself. The likenesses are off. The characterization isn't right. Stacy Haduik's Lana is nothing like this Lana, and so forth. Doing comic knock-offs of TV properties immediately and always makes you "less than." Plus, just go ahead and try to do a character the show hasn't done yet, like J. Wilbur Wolfingham for instance. When the show gets around to doing him, your's is just wrong. Again. 

Comic book continuations of dead series like Smallville Season Ten and the ongoing Buffy seasons don't attract audiences in anything near the numbers the shows did, and the difference in medium isn't the only factor. The comics don't have the actors, the performances, the special effects, the timing, the viewing experience... They've got next to nothing viewers might associate with their favorite programs except the tenuous claim to be the same story taken forward. Even that seems dubious when those stories now suddenly involve "tights and flights" and gigantic god-beings stomping around everywhere. They're cute little tchotchke reminders of something you used to enjoy, quaint and all too often tedious in comparison.

So, yes, by all means, turn your entire product line into pale copies of the shows and films that originally got their spark and cache from you. Twist your creative efforts in upon themselves to mirror what's currently popular and watch how quickly "currently popular" becomes "last year's model." Triple the list of ways your comic can go wrong in the eyes of potential readers by adding likeness problems and storyline discrepancies. 

Hey, it's not like those readers are going to show up anyway.

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Posted: 03 March 2016 at 10:02am | IP Logged | 12  

I think the people who watch superhero movies don't care about the comic books. And the small amount of them that do are going to seek out the comic books regardless of whether or not the Avengers team looks like the one in the movie.

Edited by Jason Larouse on 03 March 2016 at 10:03am
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