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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 21 March 2017 at 12:25am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I'm on the 2nd to last episode now. WEIRD show. Almost feels like the
writers had no idea where they were going at times.

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The constant flip-flopping of the Meachums got a little hectic and the
stuff with Colleen didn't make sense to me.


 INVISO TEXT (Click or highlight to reveal):
The Hand was placing their recruits in the government,
hospitals, and so on, and they had her recruiting from an underfunded
dojo? Was she lying about needing rent? Did she risk the fight club (the
first time around) for no reason?
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SPOILER ALERT!

Ok Michael, you nailed it in your INVISO box. I didn't get that whole sub plot for Colleen. It made zero sense. Total swiped idea from Man of Tai Chi (which probably swiped the idea from somewhere else).

I'm with the majority - this first season was sub par. Certainly the least impressive Marvel/Netflix shows so far.

Daredevil was cool cuz it was Daredevil. But boring ninjas again. Stick was cool. Punisher was cool. Kingpin was boring (but Kingpin always bores me anyway).
Jessica Jones was the best because the Purple Man was a scary villain.
Luke Cage wasn't bad and watching a nigh invulnerable character is always fun.
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Ahhhhh, IRON FIST - the second weak link in an otherwise very, very strong chain (that chain being the MCU, of course).

Lots of really bad storytelling decisions, IMHO. And a weak central character. 


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I think it  could have been told with Highlander-style flashbacks to Danny growing up with his friend Davos and eventually leaving K'un L'un (every episode's flashback would mirror something happening in the main, present-day story).
I'd have had the season lead up to a showdown between Danny and Davos for the Mantle of the Iron Fist.
Keep Gao, the rivalry with The Hand, and the corporate drama, just streamline it into a sub-plot narrative. 


Cue The Defenders.


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Time for you guys's opinions (those who have watched the entire series): An online reviewer said you could watch the first and last episodes and not really miss anything in between?  Is this a fair assessment?
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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 21 March 2017 at 4:20pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I think that's a little harsh. You could probably skim through the first four
or five episodes though.
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Posted: 21 March 2017 at 8:16pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

No it isn't a fair assessment.  Doing so wouldn't affect Danny's story. Unfortunately for us as fans that's the truth. What we would miss is some interesting stuff concerning Colleen Wing and the Meachums.
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Posted: 22 March 2017 at 8:37am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I'm skipping ahead whenever a scene gets tedious. Yet, it's still boring. 
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Posted: 22 March 2017 at 3:02pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

@ Matt - 

Naw, don't do that.  

There is plenty to see in between.  Not much of it is good, but it does advance and conclude the story....such as it is.


Spoilery talk.....

 Those who have watched the Rand family plane crash flashback (for the thousand times they depict it in the series)....

Help me understand why the roof of the plane came off...when the cause of the plane crashing was that the pilots were poisoned.

I can see if The Hand put a bomb on the plane.  The bomb explodes and damages the plane structurally...and the roof comes off as it is losing altitude.  THAT makes sense.  

But as the scene shows us (rather poorly) the plane is in what appears to be a rapid yet steady decent into the mountains.   NOT nose down or inverted, mind you.  NOT in a stall or spin.  And then for no apparent reason (other than to get momma Rand out of the plane in a dramatic fashion) the roof shears itself off!   

The whole crash scene was terrible.  And that detail made it even more dumb to me.

The only scene that was worse was when Danny beats up the Rand security guards outside of Coleen's dojo (who JUST attacked him on Ward Meachum's orders) and demands that the leader tell him who sent them!  

Dude, is your memory that short?  

Sheesh.





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So far we've seen Danny just plowing through people left and right with almost no challenge, and then when he's looking for the x-rays of his broken arm, he gets sucker punched and completely fails to stop the guy from torching the records. 

I hate that he's an unstoppable fighter until they need a plot point. 
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The fight scenes were generally weak. I was hoping they
would be more like Daredevil's nonstop action. There
was way too much editing going on. One part I did enjoy
was Danny's fight with the drunken guard. It brought
back memories of Jackie Chan when he did the Drunken
Master movies.

Separately, I was pleasantly surprised to see that the
filming was done in my old neighborhood in NYC's
Chinatown. It was pretty cool to be able to recognize
the different streets.
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Posted: 22 March 2017 at 10:12pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I was never a big Iron Fist fan. To me the most interesting thing was reading so many years ago and marveling at this young artist John Byrne's artwork. I like his costume and his partnership with Luke Cage. When I heard this Netflix series wasn't up to the others, I wasn't surprised. They had to stumble a bit at some point and with a character as "meh" as Iron Fist (my opinion), it seemed logical. 

That said, the series is ok. I agree with the fight scenes being a bit unimaginative, especially compared to Daredevil. I look at the series (just 3 episodes in, still no Rosario - sigh) as a means to an end. Another building block of the Netflix Marvel universe, and a step closer to the Defenders.

I think the problem (so far) is lack of a good villain. The rich guy father is not threatening and looks almost the age of his son (who looks like one of Trump's idiot sons). There isn't enough drama and the stakes aren't high. Of course, it could change as I move through the episodes. Right now a lot of spinning wheels.

If only they brought out that costume and a little JB flair. Oh well. ;)
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Posted: 22 March 2017 at 11:59pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Almost finished the series and my thoughts are, in this series, Danny Rand is the Anakin Skywalker of the MCU.

The one everyone says is this big thing but actually is a whiny kid that needs a good slap. As shown, I get the sense that he wins his fights because the plot needs him to, not because he actually shows greater skill than his enemies. There are a few instances where he does show greater skill, but I never get the sense that he is above his opponents by several degrees.

And that's what I got with Anakin in the prequels.

Now, Luke was a whiny kid as well, because his life sucked and he wanted to leave and he never got to do anything. As soon as he did and the adventure starts? No more whining from Luke, he's doing exactly what he wanted to do and that's that.

Danny should be that person
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Posted: 23 March 2017 at 12:55am | IP Logged | 13 post reply

Netflix needs to put Danny in the Iron Fist mask ASAP, just so they can
get a decent fight double and not have to rely on quick cuts and
shooting him from behind.
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Posted: 23 March 2017 at 11:02am | IP Logged | 14 post reply

I read that one of the problems with the fight scenes
was the tight production schedule. Finn Jones was given
only a month of intense martial arts training before
shooting the series. Once production began, he could
only training once a week. He also says he basically
learned the choreography 15 minutes before shooting.
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Posted: 23 March 2017 at 12:15pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

If that's the case Wilson, hopefully by the time the Defenders and Season 2 of Iron Fist arrives there should be a vast improvement in Finn Jones's abilities.
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Posted: 23 March 2017 at 12:53pm | IP Logged | 16 post reply

IRON FIST wrapped in October, and DEFENDERS started filming in
November, so I'm not sure how much training he got in.
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Posted: 23 March 2017 at 3:57pm | IP Logged | 17 post reply

I think the choreography of the fights is a minor issue when compared to the awful storytelling. 

We finished watching last night and as much as it pains me to say this...siggghhhhh...I hated it. And I'm actually a little pissed that they wasted so much potential. 

I think Daredevil set the bar very high and although there have been ups and downs throughout all the Netflix series that followed, at least I walked away from them with some sense of enjoyment, fulfillment. Not this time. 
 


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Posted: 23 March 2017 at 8:05pm | IP Logged | 18 post reply

Halfway into the season, it's obvious that the showrunners don't know how to do a kung-fu story, let alone a superhero show. They keep on going back to the Meachums and Danny's strange reverse-prodigal son relationship with them. This smothers anything that's (somewhat) good in the show, like Colleen Wing and her dojo. 

I don't think there's anything worth salvaging in a second season. Marvel should just cancel Iron Fist and move on. 


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I'm six episodes in and while there have been many "special thanks" credits so far, I have yet to see Chris Claremont or John Byrne mentioned. George Tuska is there, but no Claremont or Byrne. WTF?
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I don't think there's anything worth salvaging in a second season. Marvel should just cancel Iron Fist and move on.
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I'm half inclined to agree.  The other half (the half that wants to see a great Iron Fist show) wants to see if the Defenders production team does enough with the character to salvage the series, or at least enough to justify a second season.
I don't have a problem with Finn Jones' slender physique as some have mentioned, having always been more impressed with superheroics performed by characters with a slight frame- Ditko's earlier portrayals of Spider-man, for example.  But I did have a hard time swallowing Danny's struggles with characters far beneath his status as a superhero...it was just weird.  And for all the power of the iron fist, he did exactly one impressive thing with it (in the final episode) otherwise he used this great power to punch open doors.  Weird.
I hated Bakuto and his ninja high school and would like to see that aspect of the Hand swallowed up and forgotten posthaste.

I do hope to see the Iron Fist costume going forward, but given the production team's failure to provide the character with the stakes of conflict appropriate for a superhero, I'm sad to say that the costume would have been incongruent with the rest of what was provided.  Without significant changes to the presentation, the costume would have struck the consciousness as a birthday party clown suit.

Also, in regard to the claw weapons that Claire used against the ninjas, what are the chances they find their way into Patsy Walker's hands at some point?  Will we be seeing Hellcat sooner than later?
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Posted: 24 March 2017 at 1:52pm | IP Logged | 21 post reply

I hope it gets another season to try and fix the problems of the first. have different people in charge of the show. Finn Jones has plenty of time to hit the gym and work on his fighting skills. I'm fine with him being slender. But he should be ripped. I'm less interested in the story as I am the Kung Fu fighting. I want to see something that resembles the Kung Fu films I watched as a kid. The likes of Five Deadly Venoms.
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Rather than a second season of IRON FIST, I'd rather have a HEROES
FOR HIRE series and make it like ENTER THE DRAGON meets
LETHAL WEAPON.
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Rather than a second season of IRON FIST, I'd rather have a HEROES 
FOR HIRE series and make it like ENTER THE DRAGON meets 
LETHAL WEAPON.
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Okay I'd be cool with Heroes for Hire. I think that would probably be a better idea.

Now lets see a Moon Knight series, Son of Satan and Ghost Rider series.


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Netflix should do a US-1 sci-fi traveling trucker adventure show set in the 80's so the CB skull isn't easily countered with a phone app. Make it more light hearted and comedic than the usual marvel netflix stuff.


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CC and JB get a thanks in the last episode.
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