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Matt Reed
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Posted: 04 March 2016 at 6:45pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Link to video source about Shang-Chi.  FYI That Hashtag Show also broke the original Iron Fist casting news last week.
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Related (in a way) http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/nina-simones-family-blasts-zoe -saldana-casting-in-biopic/

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Not quite the same thing. Zoe Saldana is a black woman, but she doesn't look anything like Nina Simone. Most people don't realize that like African Americans, a large number of Latinos are black or part black. People often wrongly tend to treat Latinos and Hispanics as their own separate racial group, instead of an ethnic group made up of people of multiracial ancestry (black,white,and brown).
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The criticism of Saldana reminds me of Halle Berry talking about being
fired from a job. The director of the movie didn't want to contribute to
ideal of black beauty in film always being a light-skinned black woman.
Berry was completely sympathetic to that, but she joked that they
should have decided that before casting.
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Zoe Saldana has taken a lot of heat for not being black enough. I read an article recently that dismissed her as an African American star, because in her biggest roles she wore green or blue paint. It must be extraordinarily painful for her to read these things.
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Nina Simone's career was effected by criticisms of her "too black" appearance.  So to cast an actress who would require dark make-up and a prosthetic nose to even vaguely resemble her is insensitive to her legacy in the very least.  If Zoe cared about Nina Simone's story at all she should have reconsidered taking the role.  

There are any number of superb black actresses who would require little to nothing in terms of make-up to resemble Nina.  The few that come to mind immediately could act circles around Ms. Saldana.  


Uzo Aduba from Orange Is The New Black.

The fact that they were over looked is the issue.   Hollywood has a way of jumping past the obvious and right into the needlessly controversial.

Hopefully the movie is good and Zoe is fantastic in it.  But from the pics I've seen I think I'd have a hard time seeing past what's on screen.  Zoe looks like Zoe Saldana with a ridiculous fake nose.    And that does nothing for the legacy of Nina Simone. 
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I've seen Uzo Aduba mentioned before, but NINA has been on the shelf for a while...long enough that Ms Aduba wasn't the name she is now.  And even now?  She's not a name that anyone would know.  Hard as it is to come to grips with, you've got to have a name to get the money to get the film made.  Screw the likeness.  Uzo wasn't anyone to get anything made no matter how much she looks like the person featured in the biopic.  
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Casting in Hollywood is driven primarily by two things: who's a box office draw, and who's available. A third factor is which actors have the clout to nail down projects for which they are not really suitable. Several have made virtual careers out of playing characters, fictional and real, who they do not match physically.

Nothing new there. The other night I watched THE BIG SLEEP, starring Humphrey Bogart. For the umpety-umpth time I was aware that the exchange in the book that reads...

"You're tall, aren't you?

"I didn't mean to be."

...in accomodating Bogart's stature (or lack thereof) became...

"You're not very tall, are you?"

"I tried to be."

Many of my old favorites are like that. Burt Lancaster does not match the physical description of Elmer Gantry in the book. Margaret Rutherford was a delightful Miss Marple, but about twice the size of the diminutive character. Cary Grant looked nothing like Cole Porter, as James Cagney bore only the most fleeting resemblance to most of the real people he played, like George M. Cohan and Lon Chaney.

And so it goes.

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Last night I was talking to a guy in a restaurant in Shanghai. I could not place his accent (Shanghai has foreigners from everywhere) and he told me he was Spanish, from Barcelona. His skin was lighter than mine. Is he Hispanic? Is Zoe Saldana Black or Hispanic? Is she too light to be Black and too dark to be Hispanic? If someone in the future plays Tiger Woods in a film will he have to be half-Asian and half-Black or will there be an"outcry"?
Christ, all of this is so tiresome. If a fictional character was white in the book, he should be white in the movie. If the character is Asian, make him  Asian. Not enough characters of "colour"? Make some more new characters. With all the problems in the world, this is what activists waste their time with? If Zoe Saldana's nose is big enough?

To paraphrase Penn Jillette,  skin colour is the least-most interesting thing about a person. 
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With all the problems in the world, this is what activists waste their time
with?

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I'm confused about comments like this. It's like you are accusing people
of taking time off from protesting sex trafficking or police brutality to
organize hunger strikes to protest Hollywood casting. "Activists" are just
pointing out shitty things Hollywood does with respect to minority
representation. Should they just stay quiet so that Hollywood will keep
doing it?
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If someone in the future plays Tiger Woods in a film will he have to be half-Asian and half-Black or will there be an"outcry"?

As I've mentioned before, when MISS SAIGON came over from London with Jonathan Pryce recreating his role from the original production, there was indeed an outcry from the Asian community. The character was half-Vietnamese, half-Caucasian, and the protestors were demanding he be played by an Asian actor.

Which, by any kind of reasonable logic, would have been equally "wrong."

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Michael, you are correct. I went too far. People have a right to speak up about anything they wish. Just like Hollywood has the right to choose any actor or actress they see fit if they believe it will help their business.  Zoe Saldana is much more of a box-office draw then Uzo Aduba. They have a better chance of making more money with a well-known actress than with someone who most people have never heard of. (Never heard of her until reading this topic). If I don't like their casting, I don't go to their movie. Simple as that.
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Well said, Mr. Perrin.
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To paraphrase Penn Jillette, skin colour is the least-most interesting thing about a person.

If I agreed with that I wouldn't have devoted as much effort to keeping the characters in my books diverse. Skin color is an additional "texture" that can be brought to a character. If Tony Murcheson had been White, she would have been a different person -- and probably not as interesting. That's true of a lot of characters of different races. As I've said, Luke Cage could have been White, and his story could have been nearly the same -- but not exactly the same. If a character is Black, or Asian, or Native American, or Latino or anything else, it brings layers to the backstory.

And that's a good thing.

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Maybe they should cast a white guy as Shang-Chi, as the idea of an Asian kung-fu master is racist.

Then, they could cast an Asian guy as Iron Fist, to overcome the "White Savior" trope.

Then, maybe swap their names, so that the white Shang-Chi is called Iron Fist, and the Asian Iron Fist is called Shang-Chi.

Idiots.
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Recently, Marvel CCO Joe Quesada shed some light on what we should expect from the upcoming IRON FIST - "I think the Danny Rand character himself will have a different perspective on the world than some of the characters that youre seeing now - as will Luke Cage," he explained. "Its still the early stages of Iron Fist, so Im a little hesitant to say too much more than that. Danny Rand is a completely different character and the world that he comes from, how he obtained his powers and his skills - all completely different. I think fans will be pleased."

I'm NOT having a good feeling about these comments.

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Fans are always pleased when they get in-name-only versions of characters.
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One would hope that Mr. Q means to say that the character and world of Iron Fist is "completely different" than anything we've yet seen in the Marvel films and TV shows.

But we also know how much he loves & respects original source material, and sees no need to change what made these characters great to begin with...

*coughcough-sarcasm-cough!!!*


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Recently, Marvel CCO Joe Quesada shed some light on what we
should expect from the upcoming IRON FIST - "I think the Danny Rand
character himself will have a different perspective on the world than
some of the characters that youre seeing now - as will Luke Cage," he
explained. "Its still the early stages of Iron Fist, so Im a little hesitant to
say too much more than that. Danny Rand is a completely different
character and the world that he comes from, how he obtained his
powers and his skills - all completely different. I think fans will be
pleased."

I'm NOT having a good feeling about these comments.

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I'm not clear what the issue is. The context of these comments is how
LUKE CAGE and IRON FIST will be different from Netflix's current
Marvel shows (DAREDEVIL and JESSICA JONES). Are you saying
Iron Fist and Daredevil should be the same?
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The full context:

http://decider.com/2016/03/11/marvel-chief-joe-quesada-
teases-iron-fist-luke-cage-daredevil-premiere/


Our goal is to provide four different shows that each have their own
feel while, again, feeling like they are a part of a whole. Not an easy
task, but I can tell you that our team is really fantastic at doing this.
said Quesada. Its still the early stages of Iron Fist so Im a little
hesitant to say too much more than that. But Danny Rand is a
completely different character and the world that he comes from, how
he obtained his powers and his skills all completely different. I think
fans will be pleased.



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After having some time to think about it, I'm not sure how to feel about the Heroes for Hire being in an R-Rated production. Daredevil certainly went there, as did Jessica Jones to a lesser extent. 
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I was really happy with the netflix daredevil and Luke Cage so I'm hopeful
for Iron Fist.
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I found the extreme violence in Daredevil to be extremely off-putting.
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I agree with you on that Peter, it jarred me out of the story so I'm hoping
they'll cut back this time.
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Looks like more casting from Game Of Thrones on Marvel & Netflix's IRON FIST. Aside from Finn Jones in the title role of Danny Rand, actress Jessica Henwick will be playing Colleen Wing, who along with Misty Knight, fights crime as one of the "Daughters of The Dragon" in the Marvel comics.

There's also a more detailed synopsis(according to EW.com):

Iron Fist will open with billionaire Danny Rand returning to New York City after being missing for years: He fights against the criminal element corrupting New York City with his incredible kung-fu mastery and ability to summon the awesome power of the fiery Iron Fist.

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That's about half right.
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