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Josh Goldberg
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John Byrne
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Fish, meet barrel. . .
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Paul Gibney
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Come on!
A) Those are not "poses", they are snapshots of characters in motion. That "pose" is a moment in a fluid movement.
B) Oh, so women's bodies in comics aren't realistic. So what. Neither are men's bodies.
C) I agree that women are too sexualized in comics. So are men, (perhaps) to a lesser degree. I don't know as I'm a hetro, so I can't claim to be impartial.
D) Comics have these women able to fly, lift buildings, and survive explosions. But they can't twist their bodies? It's all a fantasy, people.
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John Byrne
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…snapshots of characters in motion…•• SUCH an important point!! I did a commission piece a while back in which the character's arms were flung WAY back. Someone immediately complained that the character could not possible "hold that pose." No, indeed, I agreed. Not for more than a fraction of a second anyway. In the trade, we call this "dynamics." (Latin for "having two namics.")
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Eric Sofer
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Comic books are entertainment... and fiction. Real people are real people. Might as well compare people's moralities and sensibilities to the crew of the USS Enterprise.
And with no offense to the real women who tried to assume those poses... they didn't look much like the comic heroines in any case. If one is going to do a comparison, let's make it red delicious to honeykrisp, not to navel oranges.
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Peter Martin
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Perhaps they should also complain that they could not fly or crawl walls when they tried.
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Peter Martin
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I'm looking forward to the follow up video poking fun at Olympics gymnastics, which would be similarly difficult to replicate.
Edited by Peter Martin on 12 December 2015 at 11:53am
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Dale Lerette
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Robert Cosgrove
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It would be a fairer exercise to go through a set of sports photos of women and see to what extent they do or do not approximate the super heroine shots. Of course, nothing is going to be 100%--that's the advantage of art over life.
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John Byrne
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Of course, nothing is going to be 100%--that's the advantage of art over life.•• Tell that to some of these current photo-ref addicted artists!!!!
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Steven Myers
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I still remember this one time I showed a drawing of mine to an artist at a convention. Conversation was something like this:
Him: You drew this person in a pose that isn't possible.
Me: Isn't that kind of the idea?
Him: No, the idea is to draw a pose that someone could only hold for a second.
Me: Oh. That makes sense.
(Of course it was JB I was talking to. Smart guy!)
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Eric Jansen
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On the other hand, so many cosplayers (men and women both) at comic cons look absolutely great dressed as their favorite characters--usually doing a better job than most Hollywood versions! And they'll usually do a nice pose (they've taken the care to practice) for you if you ask to take their picture.
Maybe someone else can do ANOTHER video showing some good cosplayers recreating some nice Curt Swan, Wally Wood, Jerry Ordway, John Cassaday, or John Byrne poses instead of ones by the more doublejointed Image-type artists.
Edited by Eric Jansen on 14 December 2015 at 5:27am
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