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Trevor Thompson
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I'm curious to know from those who still read comic whether they've noted that most of the super-heroes sound the same. They have that sarcastic, 'cool' , sort of like Starlord in the Guardians of The Galaxy movie.
I've read a few comics and I can't really differentiate between say, Spider-Man, Iron-Man or Hawkeye where as in the past I could definitely get a rough idea about their character through their 'voices'.
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John Byrne
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I suspect a lot of this springs from the insistence by writers (few of who are as good as they think they are) on writing everything full script. We have already seen how this leads to page after page of talking heads, but it can also lead to those heads all speaking with the same voice.When the pencils come before the script, the writer has the actual character in front of him/her, and this can influence, even unconsciously, the way their dialog is written. It's hard -- tho not impossible -- to blanderize the vocal characteristics.
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Joe Smith
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I can't wait to tell our sous chef how he's blanderizing the vegetables with garlic. :D
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Bob Harvey
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I'd been planning to make a thread on the same subject, though I think it mostly applies to Marvel. ("Marvel's universal voice" was my tremendously clever thread title; way to blow it for me, Trevor!)
Essentially, every Marvel character now taunts his enemies in the manner of Spider-Man. I would assume this comes from the movies, in which those characters without incredibly well-defined personalities (Captain America, Thor) need to be a comedians in order to win over the audience. The success of Iron Man probably began this trend. So now Ant-Man and Starlord must fit that type, regardless of what they were like in the comics.
I don't read many Marvel comics, but it seems to be at least as bad in that medium. In the few that I've checked out over the past couple of years, the only character who isn't beating you over the head with "clever" dialogue (much of which is actually narration; it's much worse than the movies in that respect) is the Silver Surfer. The worst example is Doctor Strange, who now talks to himself in a voice belonging to a college sophomore (at best).
Edited by Bob Harvey on 04 December 2015 at 12:15pm
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Joe Smith
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I'm loving the new Dr. Strange book, art wise, but did question his demeanor.
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It's that Kevin Smith/Quentin Tarantino Syndrome, where every character seems to have "their" voice.
I was pulled - more than once - out of Clerks and Mallrats (which I can't even watch more than ten minutes of) because of some of the character dialogue. It becomes jarring and then, for me, really annoying.
Edited by Ronald Joseph on 04 December 2015 at 9:34am
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"Essentially, every Marvel character now taunts his enemies in the manner of Spider-Man. I would assume this comes from the movies, in which every character without an incredibly well-defined personality (Captain America, Thor) needs to be a comedian in order to win over the audience. The success of Iron Man probably began this trend. So now Ant-Man and Starlord must fit that type, regardless of what they were like in the comics. "
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I think this started way way back with Stan Lee's writing. An awful lot of Marvel's heroes in the 1960s had smart alek dialogue as they taunted the villains they were fighting. It worked well for Spider-man, and so it extended to Daredevil, Cap, Iron Man, the Human Torch, The Thing, etc.
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John Byrne
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I think this started way way back with Stan Lee's writing. An awful lot of Marvel's heroes in the 1960s had smart alek dialogue as they taunted the villains they were fighting. It worked well for Spider-man, and so it extended to Daredevil, Cap, Iron Man, the Human Torch, The Thing, etc.•• Yes, an "awful lot" did. But more didn't.
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I'd say Roy Thomas brought more 'smart aleck' dialogue to the party than Stan did. His 'voice' worked better for some characters than others.
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Charles Nelson
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I wholeheartedly concur with the Dr. Strange comments. I found his dialogue and characterization so jarring that I couldn't make it through the first issue. He seems so much younger and a lothario. The Dr. I remember seemed wiser than others.But it wasn't only HIS characterization that was the problem. That whole "council" scene was painful.
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John Byrne
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Authority figures are viewed as the enemy, so the hip "young" folk in charge are terrified of their characters being seen as, you know, mature. Hence, Intern Strange.
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Trevor Thompson
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I'd been planning to make a thread on the same subject, though I think it mostly applies to Marvel. ("Marvel's universal voice" was my tremendously clever thread title; way to blow it for me, Trevor!)
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Haha. Apologies, Bob. If it's any consolation, you've been far more articulate in the way you voiced (see what I did there) your views than me.
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