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Anthony J Lombardi
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"Yeah... because that's not who the character is."  Dame Judi Densch will just never be the Incredible Hulk, no matter how fabulous an actor she is.
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 Can't you just picture her in a motion capture suit.
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I'm really enjoying the tone set by the trailers and clips so far (though I've been avoiding watching everything out there).

My son is totally on board with this one, and so am I.  It remains to be seen, though, if the Marvel Studios brand will give the Spidey name a much-needed shot in the arm, or if the latest entry will somehow end-up making less than THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2.  Nothing surprises me after this lackluster summer movies season so far!



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"Yeah... because that's not who the character is."  Dame Judi Densch will just never be the Incredible Hulk, no matter how fabulous an actor she is.
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 Can't you just picture her in a motion capture suit.


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Unless Dame Densch turns out to be better at performing as the Hulk than competing actors, why use special effects to make her fit the role. 


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Unless Dame Densch turns out to be better at performing as the Hulk than competing actors, why use special effects to make her fit the role. 
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Because she's not 10 foot tall, green and muscle bound.
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Anthony - absolutely correct. Of course, we have so few good 10' green actors anymore... :)

Then again, Lou Ferrigno did seem adequate in carrying off the role with a minimum of special effects. And we're just watching "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" and Mr. Hyde is prosthetics, no effects.

But in that latter production, casting (for example) John Wayne or James Garner as Allen Quatermain would have been awkward, even if both of them were great strong heroes and adequate actors.
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Anthony - absolutely correct. Of course, we have so few good 10' green actors anymore... :)
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Then again, Lou Ferrigno did seem adequate in carrying off the role with a minimum of special effects. 
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For the time it was well done.

And we're just watching "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" and Mr. Hyde is prosthetics, no effects.
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I didn't care too much for the effect.
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But in that latter production, casting (for example) John Wayne or James Garner as Allen Quatermain would have been awkward, even if both of them were great strong heroes and adequate actors.
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I'm a big fan of practical effects. In most cases i would rather go that way instead of cgi. However there are some instances where I think it's better to go with cgi. The Hulk and Thing are two characters that I'd prefer digital. 

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So the news is that Jennifer Connely will also be in this film. Since Marissa Tomei is Aunt May, Connely will surely play another senior citizen like Madame Web. 

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Nope.  Connelly is the voice of Peter's costume A.I.
She's his 'Jarvis'

A cool tidbit of info:

Remember the little kid in the Iron Man mask in IM2 (who confronted one of Hammer's drones at the Stark Expo?)


Guess who that kid was?



It has been a fan theory for awhile now.  But Tom Holland and Kevin Fiege have confirmed it.

Pretty cool.






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DAVID ALLEN PERRIN: Nope.  Connelly is the voice of Peter's costume A.I.  She's his 'Jarvis'

I see letters and words here but none of it makes any sense.
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The movie poster in Hong Kong
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It has been a fan theory for awhile now.  But Tom Holland and Kevin Fiege have confirmed it.

Pretty cool.
 
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So, they're saying it was Peter or was the actor the kid in the mask?
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They are saying that the kid in the mask was a young Peter. 
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Connelly is the voice of Peter's costume A.I.
She's his 'Jarvis'

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And no coincidence surely that she is married to Paul Bettany who played Jarvis, right?
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I did not know that.
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Saw SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING last week and LOVED it. Pretty easily the best Spider-Man movie yet, though YMMV. They establish Peter in the MCU and yes, his suit has a lot of gadgets courtesy of Tony Stark.

Big non-spoiler takeaway: it's about Peter learning how to be Spider-Man, what kind of hero he wants to be, what mistakes he'll make getting there. Tom Holland is the best we've seen as Peter AND Spider-Man--he gets the distinct differences between the two and plays it just right.

Vulture may be the best villain yet, with a phenomenal performance by Michael Keaton.

Lots of Easter eggs for comic book fans and TWO after-scenes (one after the credits finish).

Definitely worth seeing.
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I've been rather giddy about seeing this movie because of the tone that Holland sets feels so much like the Peter Parker I grew up obsessed with...that is until I read about the suit that essentially has an on-board computer complete with a voice talking to him.  Ugh.  So many things wrong with that not the least of which is it takes away Peter having to figure things out for himself.  For Iron Man?  Makes total sense, although that character didn't have a computer in his suit for a very long time.  For Spider-Man?  No kinda sense at all.  Listen, I get the "training wheels" aspect as the reason used to justify Stark putting it there to begin with, but that takes away half the fun.  My expectations have become muted as a result.
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I don't mind it... right or wrongly, I think they needed to put a fresh spin on this third big-screen attempt at Spider-Man.  Re-telling the basic origin yet again after the Maguire and Garfield films might have risked a collective yawn from the general public.  We may not agree with it (it took some getting used-to for me), but having Tony Stark as a mentor, and a spider-suit with some modern bells & whistles, at least makes it seem like a more interesting take on the character.

Now, do I want to see Stark ultimately become Peter's step-uncle?  Hell no... but for now, I'm willing to see where this film takes the characters.



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The one part of the movie I'm expecting to dislike is the reinvention of Flash Thompson as an academic rival of Peter's, as played by Zero from THE GRAND BUDAPEST HOTEL. I can overlook what they've done with Ned Leeds, because the character in the comic never made a huge impact on me, and I get that Marvel probably doesn't want Sony to create new characters, but Flash is just... ugh. 
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 Shaun Barry wrote:
Re-telling the basic origin yet again after the Maguire and Garfield films might have risked a collective yawn from the general public.

You misunderstand me.  I'm not asking for yet another origin story.  What we are getting with Holland as Peter is a young Spider-Man who is trying to learn the ropes.  You don't need an origin story to allow him to learn on the job without the aid of an on-board computer helping him navigate the waters.  I don't think that's a "fresh spin".  I think it's a silly contrivance.  
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Contrivance or not, the set-up seems to work okay (again, for me), within the confines of the established MCU... and given the fact that the Spider-Man acquisition came late in the game.  It's not perfect, but it looks like a fun time at the movies.

(And YMMV, but if Stark tech needs to be involved with the spidey-suit, I'd rather see it presented this way, than if they'd gone with that atrocious Iron Spider-Man nonsense from the comics, which I think is a godawful eyesore.)




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I just noticed a bit of un-spider like behavior in one of the early posters....

The image on the left is the original.  Why is Spider-Man holding the sign the way a normal jabroni would?   

 On the right is my doctored up take.
I think what I did is way more Spider-Man-ish...





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Good call, David. I agree with the fix.
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Hearing about the computerization of the Spider-Man suit makes me want to
give this one a pass.
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The Iron Man Armor Mark Spider is pretty inexplicable. Other than the Stark armor Peter wore for about five minutes during Civil War, is there a precedent in the comics for this? Or has audience testing revealed a preference for lady-talking AI on par with an affinity for dudes named Chris?

I definitely prefer the comics where Peter is just that good at firing his web shooters. If the suits think he needs computerized help, fine, whatever (even then it should be Peter's programming), but he doesn't need a Jiminity Crickit.

JCAI better not replace the Spider-Sense, though, or I'll be so goddman angry I'll tweet about it.


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