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Andy Meyers
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Not sure if everyone saw this. Marvel is giving credit to Kirby in their publications. 
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2014/10/marvel-titles-n ow-include-jack-kirby-credit/



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Brad Teschner
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link wasn't working for me, but I did find
this.
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Now let's sit back and wait for all the major league assholes in fandom to start complaining that Stan shouldn't be getting any credit.
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It's kind of funny that the two titles the story lists as sporting these new credits are the ones Marvel seems to be wanting to distance itself from due to the movie deals.
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Wally Coppage
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Now all they need to do is put Kirby's name first and all will be set to rights. 
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Now all they need to do is put Kirby's name first and all will be set to rights.

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Stan wrote a full plot for Jack, for FF 1. It's been published several times. The X-Men began as Stan's idea.

So how would it be "right" to put KIrby's name first?

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Now let's sit back and wait for all the major league assholes in fandom to start complaining that Stan shouldn't be getting any credit.

Sadly there's alot of people who believe that Stan is the Funky Flashman. Many of them are esteemed comic book "journalists".
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Why did Len Wein and Bernie Wrightson always get a
creator credit on Swamp Thing, when the majority of DC
titles didn't mention who created the lead character?

I'm talking about after their run too.
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Stan wrote a full plot for Jack, for FF 1. It's been published several
times.
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Yet, people have still questioned its authenticity, or speculated that Stan
wrote it up after having a long chat with Kirby (in other words, that he
basically just transcribed what he and Kirby had already discussed).

Some people will go to maddening lengths to make the facts fit their
preferred vision of the truth!

I've said this before, and I'll say it again--take away either Stan or Jack,
and we wouldn't have gotten the Marvel we love. Without Jack's art, the
entire visual language of comics would have gone a different way.
Without Stan's dialogue, nuances of characterization, and witty
interactions with the fans in the letter pages and Bullpen Bulletins, the
books wouldn't have been anywhere near as charming.

No disrespect to Kirby intended, but I have a feeling that if he'd scripted
all those books instead of Stan, we wouldn't be here talking about this,
today. Even when Kirby and Ditko were doing full plots on their own,
Stan's influence as an editor and scripter could still be felt (sometimes
for the better, sometimes not).


They were a team. Take away one or the other, and you lose the magic.
That's the thing all the Stan-bashers don't seem to get.
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Stan wrote a full plot for Jack, for FF 1. It's been published several times.

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Yet, people have still questioned its authenticity, or speculated that Stan wrote it up after having a long chat with Kirby (in other words, that he basically just transcribed what he and Kirby had already discussed).

Some people will go to maddening lengths to make the facts fit their preferred vision of the truth!

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Maddening and idiotic! T'was Rascally Roger Stern who found that plot in the back of a drawer when he was issued a desk that used to be Stan's. Do we really imagine that Stan had foresight enough to type up a "plot" and hide it in his desk in the hopes that a decade or more hence a new editor would find it?

Was Stan also on the grassy knoll?

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No disrespect to Kirby intended, but I have a feeling that if he'd scripted all those books instead of Stan, we wouldn't be here talking about this, today. Even when Kirby and Ditko were doing full plots on their own, Stan's influence as an editor and scripter could still be felt (sometimes for the better, sometimes not).

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As I have often said, all anyone has to do to see what Stan brought to the table is look at the pictures, then look at what Stan wrote. In many instances, he wrote against the art, and made a better story than what Jack had turned in.

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Maddening and idiotic! T'was Rascally Roger Stern who found that plot in the back of a drawer when he was issued a desk that used to be Stan's. Do we really imagine that Stan had foresight enough to type up a "plot" and hide it in his desk in the hopes that a decade or more hence a new editor would find it?
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I've not once doubted the authenticity of the plot, nor Stern's story of discovering it.

There are too many little clues that point toward its being authentic (like Stan wondering aloud whether or not the rocket flight should be to Mars or to "the stars". Both destinations were inconsistently mentioned in early FF issues.). If it's a fake, it's a ridiculously clever fake.

But, the simplest answer is usually the correct one. Which means that it's not a fake, and that there are just a lot of conspiracy nuts, out there, like the people who think that Martin Goodman and Stan plotted to keep Kirby away from the solo Silver Surfer series, so he couldn't fight for any sort of sole creator's rights over the character.


I read this awhile back--



Just the sort of thing I'm talking about. Grasping at straws!


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For Goodman and Stan to have "plotted" to keep various "creator's rights" away from Kirby would have required a degree of prescience beyond any human at the time. What most of these conspiracy loons fail to take into account (since it messes with their "theories") is how the industry worked at the time these imagined conspiracies were happening.
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