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Jani Evinen
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Posted: 22 July 2013 at 9:00am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Why?

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Well firstly becouse it is a part of the dynamic. Its fun, its entertaining when its done correctly, like they did in the Bruce Timm cartoons and Justice League series. I liked the way it was done in TDKR (sadly it was changed to something completely different by Miller himself over the years)  I liked how it was handled in your MOS  miniseries. 

The banter and the difference to approach has also been handled in a very entertaining way in both Grant Morrison Justice League stories, and later in  Superman/Batman.   The  new Batman/Superman comic had a very promising first issue.

For me  as a fan, the modern relationship between Batman and Superman is a highlight. 

I'm not interested in a film where Superman and Batman (with Kryptonite weapons)  fight for 2 hours.   But its a origin-film too in a way,  for DC team ups. So I am quite excited about this :).

 

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Could it be handled like this...

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The only thing that would get me interested in this movie at this point
would be if they cast Jon Hamm as Bruce Wayne.

Though considering how the movie will likely turn out, perhaps Hamm
would be better off without it!

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Posted: 22 July 2013 at 12:58pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

It's a pity that it makes sense for Batman to team up with Luthor and fight the threat posed by Snyder's Superman.
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One more thought regarding the above - a friend just reminded me that
Jon Hamm has already worked with Snyder in the past on SUCKER PUNCH.

Not exactly something that worked out for those involved, but this could
mean there's a chance...
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Posted: 22 July 2013 at 1:23pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

What's the point of Batman fighting Superman? Aren't they both good guys?
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Posted: 22 July 2013 at 1:55pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Did heroes ever meet and fight before silver age Marvel? I have the feeling it's a convention more or less invented by Stan Lee.
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Who's neck will be snapped in this film?
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Did heroes ever meet and fight before silver age Marvel?
I have the feeling it's a convention more or less
invented by Stan Lee.
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Didn't the Human Torch fight with Namor during the Golden
Age? Or was that just on the cover?
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Yeah, heroes fighting each other was more of a Marvel thing than DC... In the Silver Age, DC had heroes meet each other and team up to fight villains. Rare occasions of them fighting one another since the DC universe for the most part was pretty different from the "grittier, realistic" Marvel Universe.

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Heroes fighting heroes was yet another example of Stan's ability to know what the fans wanted. Unfortunately, it became something of a motif at Marvel, and, at least for me, as a reader, wore pretty thin after a while.

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Yeah, but in movies we've hardly seen this since they haven't been meeting each other. So I'll give them a pass for a few occasions but not ad infinitum.

However, having not seen Man of Steel and not being a fan of Snyder at all, I may very well end up not seeing this film anyway.

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Heroes fighting heroes was yet another example of Stan's ability to
know what the fans wanted. Unfortunately, it became something of a
motif at Marvel, and, at least for me, as a reader, wore pretty thin after
a while.
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I think Marvel has pretty much destroyed the idea between there
CIVIL WAR and AVENGERS VS. X-MEN story lines.
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When the GA Human Torch fought the Sub-Mariner, it was at a time that the Sub-Mariner was still being played as more of an ongoing villain/anti-hero.

Fawcett had a multi-part story of Spy Smasher vs Captain Marvel. Spy Smasher was brainwashed by his villain the Mask into turning evil

When the same creator was working on Phantom Lady as well as his own Spider Widow over at Quality, he had a rivalry between them that went on for several issues. While never a take down fight, it was a case of two heroes not really liking each other or getting along while the Raven is caught in the middle, trying to be peacemaker.

So, rare but not completely unheard of. Of course, part of the reason was you just didn't have the type of interwoven continuity that you have now. Characters even crossing over into another's strip or acknowledging other heroes were fairly infrequent. If they did, it was to team up to take down a bad guy... why would the heroes fight?
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I think WB/DC would be wise to do holidays 2015. I'd leave that
summer alone. It's looking stacked and a lot of the major weekends
have been spoken for.
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>>I think Marvel has pretty much destroyed the idea between there
CIVIL WAR and AVENGERS VS. X-MEN story lines. <<

the trouble there is that the heroes weren't fighting because of a trick or misunderstanding or manipulation - but because rather soberly made choices forced onto the characters by writers/editors wanting to make a 'kewl' event. For any Hero fight to work, it has to end with "Oh, well then lets work together to get the Real bad guy now"
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>>I think Marvel has pretty much destroyed the idea
between there
CIVIL WAR and AVENGERS VS. X-MEN story lines. <<

the trouble there is that the heroes weren't fighting
because of a trick or misunderstanding or manipulation -
but because rather soberly made choices forced onto the
characters by writers/editors wanting to make a 'kewl'
event. For any Hero fight to work, it has to end with
"Oh, well then lets work together to get the Real bad guy
now"


AvX pretty much ended that way with Avengers and X-men
teaming up to stop the Phoenix.

But I do remember before Civil War, Marvel reasoned the
misunderstood or manipulation reasons had been over used
and they needed another reason.
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But I do remember before Civil War, Marvel reasoned the
misunderstood or manipulation reasons had been over used
and they needed another reason.
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That wouldn't be the case if the readership turnover was happening as
it should, a whole new generation of fans would have got to witness
heroes beating the snot out of each other. I'm curious, did the super
villains take over everything while the heroes fought each other?
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Posted: 23 July 2013 at 7:27pm | IP Logged | 19 post reply

Very excited about this - I just got back from SDCC and was lucky to attend this panel (do not ask what time I had to line up in Hall H to get in - you do not want to know :))

I LOVED the Nolan Batman films and Man of Steel so this is really exciting for me. 

I am happy that WB did not rush to get this out in 2014 (as rumored) and also did not rush a JLA movie..this is a logical progression to me. 

Although they may have been better off waiting until 2016..because 2015 seems insanely crowded (Avengers 2, Jurassic Parc, Star Wars, Transformers, etc)...good time to be a fan of comic/genre movies..!
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I agree with you Jeff :) 

Very Excited about this :). It took a "while" ;) for WB, but I'm happy they are doing it this way.

 

 

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Warner must have forced the directors and producers to go this way -- rather than a second Superman solo movie to flesh things out a bit.

But Warner probably thinks they have lost group to Disney/Marvel and that they must catch up.

Personally I welcome this in that it means we'll get another motion picture featuring The Batman within a three-year span as otherwise we might have had to wait 6 years.

As Nolan is reducing his involvement as producer, this movie might turn out to be less relentlessly entrenched in reality. Perhaps a bit of situational humor would help as well.

Perhaps Superman, as Iron Man with his grey armor in the comics, decide that his body suit (can it be called a costume now?) needs brighter colors to be less intimidating.

Anyway, my hope for this movie is that our heroes start off being suspicious of each other only to have circumstnces forge a strong respect for each other by the end. The JB MOS fingerprinting can continue as far as I'm concerned. The departure from MOS should be that Luthor MUST be charming. Loki and Khan are great draws as sympatico villains, for example.

Also, the conclusion of the movie should be balsy enough to lead into a JLA feature two years after that. I would love to have the JLA be created as a response to something Kirby created like the New Gods which could be spun off into it's own movie.

Instead of a physical menace -- like the Kryptonians trying to terraform the planet -- Darkseid could come around looking for the secret of the Antilife equation and turn the entire population of the planet into mindless zombies.



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Personally I welcome this in that it means we'll get another motion picture featuring The Batman within a three-year span as otherwise we might have had to wait 6 years.

The last thing that came close to being a BATMAN movie was BATMAN BEGINS, in 2005. Since then we've had two movies that did not pay a whole lot of attention to that first film, or even deign to use the name "Batman" in their TITLES!

If you want more stories about a character who is Batman in name only -- and then only when Mr. Director allows the name to be spoken! -- you will doubtless be happy with a "mash-up" of a character who is not Superman with a character who is not Batman.

Me, I'll just watch them shoveling more dirt out of the pit that is becoming the characters' grave.

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And with the news that the the film will be titled either SUPERMAN VS. BATMAN or BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN, whatever infinitesimal potential interest I may have had in this movie officially died.

The two characters having a quick tussle when they first encounter each other?  Sure.  A movie about them fighting?  Blech.
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7-11 movie marketing campaign:

Buy a Batman Slurpee cup if you think Batman will win!!  
Buy a Superman Slurpee cup if you think Superman will win!


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In regards to Matt's comments above - I agree in the sense I do not understand why people are trying to make Man of Steel into a financial failure - it has grossed over $600M worldwide making it:

- the highest grossing Superman film
- the 3rd highest grossing DC film (behind Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises)
- making double what Batman Begins made (and that was enough to start the Nolan Batman franchise)

Say what you want about the film but it is a success financially.

The move to make the next film a Batman/Superman film is more a move to quickly approach a shared universe ala Marvel. Their only mistake IMO is to release it in the crowded 2015 market...I would push it to 2016 (The Nolan Batman films had 3 years between them and they each made more money than the last).
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