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Greg McPhee
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No joke, Greg. It's been probably around 10 years ago, now. It's when the third Summers brother, Vulcan, was introduced.
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If I had know such wonderful developments as this were going to occur, I would never have dropped the X-Men in 1991 after Chris Claremont left.
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Mike Purdy
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You're right Matt. Back in my reading/collecting days if I didn't like the direction a book was taking, I didn't read it. No harm, no foul. But something like the Been/Doom revelation damages the core of those characters. They're not the same anymore.
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Kevin Hagerman
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But he got delayed showing off for some hot babes outside a nightclub, and when Ben tried to defend May the burglar panicked and shot him.
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No, wait! Aunt May shot Ben and framed the burglar!
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Greg Kirkman
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| Posted: 07 June 2013 at 11:43am | IP Logged | 4
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Maybe Betty Ross was also a spy, assigned to seduce Bruce Banner
and steal the gamma bomb plans.
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Larry Morris
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You have got to be kidding me. Whatever rattles the cage, creates a buzz. The integrity of the characters be damned. That second team of X Men retcon. Wasn't that damaging to Xavier? Didn't he keep them a secret and wiped the knowledge of their existence from Cyclops' head? That is what I recall reading about the story. About it because I never read the actual comics.
So, now the characters are more "complex" and "interesting". No thanks, I'll pass.
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Greg Woronchak
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Instead of poking around at old continuity and rehashing it to suit ones whims in the name of 'drama', why not look forward and focus on introducing new stuff? Like Stan and Jack did during their run?
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Armindo Macieira
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Let's not forget all that Sins Past crap with Gwen having an affair with Norman Osborn while dating Peter, actually getting pregnant of twins and going to Paris to deliver the twins just before being killed by... Norman Osborn!?
What was the point of that? What were the editors thinking when they approved that?!
Edited by Armindo Macieira on 07 June 2013 at 11:59am
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Greg Kirkman
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Oh, don't forget that Peter was originally supposed to be the father.
Quesada and company nixed that, which led to the much more logical
Osborn-as-daddy bit.
The story that made me drop modern comics. Still a favorite...
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John Byrne
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Let's not forget all that Sins Past crap with Gwen having an affair with Norman Osborn while dating Peter, actually getting pregnant of twins and going to Paris to deliver the twins just before being killed by... Norman Osborn!?What was the point of that? What were the editors thinking when they approved that?! •• Unfortunately, the answer to that one is all too clear: you're talking about it. And the days when editors and writers would strive to get the readers talking about their work by producing thought provoking, actually CLEVER stories are long gone. Now it's all about shock and controversy. The long, long shadow, alas, of Dark Phoenix.
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James Howell
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Putting Storm back in a mohawk speaks to this as well...I was a Fantastic Four fan before I was a John Byrne fan. My first drawings as a young child were of the FF. I even made a cameo of sorts in an issue during JB's run. I was a life long fan. Until Civil War..Then I couldn't read the book anymore. It was the beginning of the end for me reading current Marvel books, it soured me so much..
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Greg Kirkman
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Any publicity is good publicity, right?
Unfortunately, this is a trap we fall into a lot, isn't it? In these cynical
times, it seems like the most exciting thing we can do is complain about
developments we don't like. Arguments about controversial stories are,
in and of themselves, a form of entertainment. And the companies feed
on that.
I'll freely admit that there's a disturbingly addictive quality to whining
about things I don't like. Or, perhaps, it's because there's so little that's
good out there to talk about!
Perhaps the best solution is to stop talking about these stories and
giving them attention altogether, so the publishers will stop trying to be
controversial. Problem is, we CARE. We care. And that's what hurts.
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Eric Ladd
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Scott, Alex and Vulcan? Yeah, those names seem like they go together. I would love to see someone set up a Pepsi challenge with kids reading comics from the 70s-80s against current books. So glad I only get commissions now.
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