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Posted: 06 April 2013 at 10:12am | IP Logged | 1  

When I was posting the image of Barry Allen catching the tray of dropped food, from the first Flash story in SHOWCASE, I found myself thinking of how poorly Barry Allen came to be served by DC, and all the foolishness that was shoehorned into his story without much sense being made.

Like Iris being from the Future!

This got me thinking about a Very Bad Habit that turns up in superhero comics -- that being how slowly but surely, if a book is around long enough, NONE, or nearly none of the supporting cast are allowed to remain "ordinary people".

Superman was among the first to start this, of course, with Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, Lana Lang and even Perry White having wild adventures, developing super powers, hanging out with aliens, etc. (When I was working on Superman, editorial compelled me to "reveal" that Perry, Jimmy or Lana was really a Manhunter agent. I chose Lana, as I was able to structure a story that did the least damage to the character.)

The X-Men are great sinners in this department. Of course, the initial premise of the book is that they are an odd bunch who tend to hang out only with themselves, but over the years -- especially once Claremont came along -- more and more was shoveled in. Scott Summers parents aren't simply dead, they were kidnapped by aliens! And now his dad is a space pirate! Betsy and Amanda, Kurt and Peter's gal pals, are "revealed" to be witches! And on and on.

Sometimes I think it's amazing that J. Jonah Jameson didn't develop super powers at some point -- altho he did, of course, take to driving the Spider-Slayer, which is something less than "ordinary".

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The first think that pops into my head is Peter Parker's parents being secret agents.

Really?



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Armindo Macieira
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Posted: 06 April 2013 at 11:34am | IP Logged | 3  

I like Steve Rogers "supporting cast" in Stern/Byrne's tenure in the title exactly because they were ordinary people. It's nice to see that while one is fighting nazi vampires, some people are just trying to get to work on time.

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Flash Thompson is a black ops guy named Venom now.

Image won the war.
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Thunderbolt Ross is Red Hulk. Betty Ross is Red She-Hulk.... Rick Jones is A-Bomb (aka Abomination 2).

'Nuff said.... :D
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I don't as much problem with strange events happening to supporting characters - after all, many of use cut our comic book teeth on thinks like Jimmy Olsen's weird encounters.  It's when they introduce a character (like Scott Summers father being a space pirate) that strain the limits of credibility.

Sure, I can believe Rick Jones as sidekick to the Hulk, Captain America, Captain Mar-Vell and Rom, but I think it's lazy writing when you have Wolverine involved in so many pivotal events in the past.



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Eric Smearman
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Is there anybody in Gotham City these days that DOESN'T put on a
mask & costume and fight crime?
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Caleb M. Edmond
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"Like Iris being from the Future!"

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I was not aware of this startling revelation.
(If there was just some way to 'un-remember' such a thing!)

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Andrew W. Farago
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Foggy Nelson still doesn't have a suit of Iron Man armor, last I checked.  But the list of "regular folks" is pretty short.
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Apologies, but I couldn't resist:


I'm wondering... how long will it be.... :D
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This has been one of the things that has annoyed me about comics stories, too. As mentioned, the X-Men were bad about it. I remember when Kitty Pryde's friend Doug Ramsey first appeared in the series. I was all ready aware of how ordinary supporting cast members were rarely left ordinary, so I was wondering how long it would take for Ramsey to become something more than ordinary, too. It didn't tale real long before he was revealed to be a mutant, later code-named "Cipher."

And it sometimes seems that anyone Spider-Man had in his supporting cast has had powers, a secret identity of some sort, or was related to a super-villain or super-hero.
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I remember the early, almost soap-opera storylines featuring Spidey's supporting cast members... his high school etc. They had no powers... but they interested me almost as much as the super-heroics.
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