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Sam Karns
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There have been several instances where Robert Bruce Banner controlled the Hulk. Stan and Jack has used machines which Banner used to be the Hulk and be in control but that's all SF and it worked for me. PAD used MPD where Banner along with mental hypnosis converged the personalities to be ONE single mind. I understand it's high levels of heart rate, not the ridiculous systolic blood pressure numbers like louis leterrier's vision, that triggers the transformation when he's not in control of the Hulk. What state of mind Banner has to be where he can channel into becoming the Hulk without being angry, or have faux MPD, or SF machines? Is there a certain kind of reasoning pattern in his brain where he could Hulk out and be in control?
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John Byrne
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Banner in control is the Thing, not the Hulk.
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Steven Myers
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There's always a mechanism (science, magic, psychiatry) that puts Banner's personality in charge of the Hulk's body. And it's always temporary. Just like how Ben Grimm becoming a human again never sticks for too long.
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Sam Karns
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Seems as if Stan Lee and Jack Kirby may have been going with Banner's reasons between the Hulk's rage.
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John Byrne
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One of the reasons the Hulk's original run lasted only six issues, I'm sure, is that there was no real consistent portrayal of the character, issue to issue. In the first issue he was an ANGRY Banner, Stan and Jack again going for the "everyman" approach -- wouldn't we all be kinda like this, if our inner rage was unleashed, unchecked? But issue to issue they tinkered, and not always with great success. The oddest, and most quickly corrected, digression, must surely be this: 
For those who may be unfamiliar with the issue, altho it was immediately retconned as leaping, the Hulk really was FLYING in this issue, changing direction in mid-air!
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DW Zomberg
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Flying Hulk. How the hell did Peter David miss mining that little nugget?
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Sam Karns
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Mr. Byrne, did you ever had a thought on making the Hulk consistent and flow well as both Banner and the Hulk? I mean in keeping what Stan and Jack had produced. I think they both wanted the Hulk to be a superhero.
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Aaron Smith
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Banner in control is the Thing, not the Hulk.
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That might be my favorite answer to a question I've ever seen on this forum. So simple and so true.
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Wallace Sellars
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Banner in control is the Thing, not the Hulk.
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That might be my favorite answer to a question I've ever seen on this forum.
So simple and so true.
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Agreed! I think I recall reading this from JB a while back.
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Stephen Robinson
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JB: Banner in control is the Thing, not the Hulk.
SER: This truism occurs to me whenever I think back to the 1990s Hulk. More so, the Keown/Frank versions weren't even "monstrous" -- just Arnold in green body paint. And he was married to a "hot" babe (it seemed that artists lost the ability to depict Betty as beautiful but yet not a model, as JB did).
Without the "Frankenstein/Jekyll-Hyde" dynamic, you wind up with a character that -- like the Thing himself -- works best in a group setting. And the "Marvel tragedy" for the 1990s Hulk is not rooted in nobility but in the fact that Bruce Banner is frickin' nuts. Ben Grimm, a good man trapped in a monster's body, who still fought the good fight was more relatable to me.
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Brad Teschner
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I long for another twelve issues of JB's first shot at the Hulk back in the
mid-80's!
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Aaron Smith
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Me too, Brad. That was where I first found JB's work, in the issue containing the greatest punch in comics history.
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