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Craig Robinson
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Posted: 31 May 2012 at 7:16am | IP Logged | 1  

I've been rather fortunate in that these kinds of discussions never come up when I talk comics with friends and associates.  I really only ever encountered this on internet forums. 

I don't mean here; this forum diagnoses the problem rather than propagating it.  This site is like the WebMD of comics. 



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That comment says it all. We don't need to know the ages of characters, if there's been five Christmas stories told since Plotline A happened, so what? Were the Christmas stories any good? Have five years passed since Plotline A? Is our hero, who we assume was 25, is now 30? Who cares? Enjoy the stories.

Thanks Shawn.

There's a TV show over here (now cancelled) called HEARTBEAT. It's set in the 1960s and is about a bobby on the beat in Yorkshire, with some soap opera stuff included. When it started, it was set in 1964. It ran from 1992 until 2010 and in that time, it remained in the sixties. People simply enjoyed it, even the many, many Christmas episodes. At no point did I come across anyone saying, "Hang on, if the first episode was set in 1964 and they've celebrated Christmas many times, we should be in the 80s now!" They simply appreciated each timeless tale for what it was.

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There's a TV show over here (now cancelled) called HEARTBEAT. It's set in the 1960s and is about a bobby on the beat in Yorkshire, with some soap opera stuff included. When it started, it was set in 1964. It ran from 1992 until 2010 and in that time, it remained in the sixties. People simply enjoyed it, even the many, many Christmas episodes. At no point did I come across anyone saying, "Hang on, if the first episode was set in 1964 and they've celebrated Christmas many times, we should be in the 80s now!" They simply appreciated each timeless tale for what it was.

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I think M*A*S*H* had 6 Christmas episodes or so. The Korean War lasted 3 years. What's interesting is that this is a well known-fact, joked about among fans of said show, and they move on like it's no big deal.
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Posted: 31 May 2012 at 8:20am | IP Logged | 4  

I didn't care when I saw bears in the jungle of Africa in some fiction. I saw a Scooby-Doo episode recently feauturing a gorilla in a South American jungle. Didn't bother me, but can't help but think that there could be people out there who, if the internet had been around all those years ago, would have e-mailed the producers to berate them for inaccuracy.

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Those are the kinds of things that bug me simply because it's so EASY to get it RIGHT.

"A tiger? In Africa, sir?"

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I guess the point I was making was that years ago, we simply let things like that go. Yet if there'd be an internet forum for Scooby-Doo back in the late 60s/70s, no doubt there'd be questions asked like that.

In fact, the mention of Scooby-Doo reminds me. That's another franchise where people don't appear to expect ageing. Fred, Shaggy, Daphne, Velma and Scooby-Doo have been young folk forever, probably at college. No doubt if there was a similar mentality regarding that franchise, we'd see people demanding that Fred and others celebrate 40th birthday parties and get jobs.

By the way, off-topic, that recent post I did about childhood misconceptions included one about where animals lived. As a kid, the books, cartoons, posters, films, etc. that I watched were indiscriminate when it came to including animals. If a tale was set in Africa or there was a picture of the African jungle, it had everything from bears to tigers, none of which are found in Africa.

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Unless I'm mistaken, hasn't Superman met nearly every President who was in office at the time?  (i.e. Kennedy in 1962, Eisenhower in 1967)
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Well, I know he met Reagan. I drew it!
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Posted: 31 May 2012 at 9:03am | IP Logged | 8  

Some of it just comes down to not being able to see the bigger picture or being too selfish to care.

The choice is to either have all character remain at a constant age, with all stories happening now, and everything reset before the next story and have these characters last forever or allow these characters to age to satisfy the demands of one generation and ruin the whole thing for all generations to come.


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What a coincidence. I just reread the issue where Superman talks with Reagan last evening. At the end of Legands #2. I have not touched that particular issue in some time (err... more than a decade). Several other real life figures shown up in that scene as well (VP Bush, etc.)

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When Bruce Timm's JUSTICE LEAGUE/JLU was still in production, I was an active member of a forum dedicated to the DCAU.  There was a common agreement there that Batman had to be pushing, if not past, 50 years old, considering all that he had been through.  When I counter-argued that superheroes should function like the Simpsons, where even if things seem to progress in time around the characters, the characters themselves should remain constant, I was treated like I rode the short bus to school.

These were, of course, the same people who felt there was too much action in the shows and that the series should have focused more on the 'relationships'.  They were more interested in Wonder Woman flirting with Batman, or the Green Lantern/Hawkgirl angst, than in adventure based stories.  They wanted the show, essentially, to be an adult soap opera.  But why, I asked, would you be watching a cartoon about superheroes if you're looking for a melodrama?  I never did get an answer.


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In fact, the mention of Scooby-Doo reminds me. That's another franchise where people don't appear to expect ageing. Fred, Shaggy, Daphne, Velma and Scooby-Doo have been young folk forever, probably at college. No doubt if there was a similar mentality regarding that franchise, we'd see people demanding that Fred and others celebrate 40th birthday parties and get jobs.

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As a kid, Fred always struck me as strange. I understood that his skepticism was warranted, I mean, he and Velma were always right in the end, that it wasn't a ghost, but they knew two talking dogs!

Also, I always wanted it to be a ghost and not a person. When I was 3 or 4, just because I liked drawing ghost and monsters, honestly. Maybe around 6 or 7 I felt like they "cheated" on the show to much though. Like, the "ghost" would come through the wall, take Shaggy's sandwich from him, eat it, and then chase Shaggy and Scooby around. This would later be revealed to be the work of a projector.

...I mean, I had a Ghostbusters toy that projected things on the wall. I was willing to "believe" in the talking dog, and a ghost would have been fine, but a projected image from a camera that can do that? Made me lose interest.

That was the first time I had an inkling of what would later be an understanding of "good impossible" or "bad impossible" in regards to fiction.
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If I recall correctly, there was an updated Scooby Doo animated movie where they had all aged and moved on from Mystery Inc. Daphne was a reporter or something like that. I didn't understand why the formula had to change. Of course, I've never liked the updated TV movies of popular television shows either. They always seemed to have unwanted angst. 
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